DIY gas thread - I'm confused

[Deleted member 267285]

Can a DIY person repair that fault ( by cleaning the ceramic ) or should the owner employ a registered person qualified to work on the ignition circuitry / components of a gas hob. ?

Yes it does seem a stupid question but it is a gas related item. Common sense is needed.

A homeowner can do this, like they can remove a cooker with a bayonet type fitting to clean behind the cooker, and this is classed as none gas work. If you read and interpret the gas installation (and use) regulations 1998, you would know this.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Can a DIY person repair that fault ( by cleaning the ceramic ) or should the owner employ a registered person qualified to work on the ignition circuitry / components of a gas hob. ?

My answer is yes they can providing they do not need to disturb the gas connection, if it is copper piped to the hob I do so quite regularly. I would also suggest it should be fine to disturb a bayonet flexible connection.

 

[TonyW2]

Health and safety at work act 1974-- does this apply to a DIYers own "castle?"

Competence is a combination of practical skill, training, knowledge and experience to carry out the job in hand safely, and ensuring the installation is left in a safe condition for use. Knowledge must be kept up to date with changes in the law, technology and safe working practice." -- But where is a DIYer required to prove that they hold such competence and could they not hold such competence without ever having demonstrated/ being assessed on it?

 

[bernardgreen]

like they can remove a cooker with a bayonet type fitting to clean behind the cooker,

but hobs are not cookers, according to the RGI who installed my gas hobs they have to be hard piped.

Health and safety at work act 1974, which the gas safety installation

At Work..... a home owner doing DIY ( any type ) in his or her own property is not considered to be "at work".

 

[denso13]

My answer is yes

The legal answer is yes;

“work” in relation to a gas fitting includes any of the following activities carried out by any person, whether an employee or not, that is to say—

(a)
installing or re-connecting the fitting;

(b)
maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;

(c)
where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position; and

(d)
removing the fitting;

but the expression does not include the connection or disconnection of a bayonet fitting or other self-sealing connector.


However, I have had a few that have not sel sealed on disconnection. Do you feel lucky?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

but hobs are not cookers, according to the RGI who installed my gas hobs they have to be hard piped.

Whether they do, or do not, depends on which manufacturers instructions you read.

 

[denso13]

according to the RGI who installed my gas hobs they have to be hard piped.

Well he was wrong,

 

[denso13]

Health and safety at work act 1974-- does this apply to a DIYers own "castle?"

No, not at all

 

[ianmcd]

but hobs are not cookers, according to the RGI who installed my gas hobs they have to be hard piped.

well he is wrong, if the MIs state a flexi connection can be used then it can, some hobs come supplied with them

 

[Deleted member 267285]

At Work..... a home owner doing DIY ( any type ) in his or her own property is not considered to be "at work".

Fair point.

 

[TonyW2]

No, not at all

Exactly--so we are stuck with the Gas Regulations regarding a DIYer being competent. and whether there is any law placing an onus on them to demonstrate competency.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

However, I have had a few that have not sel sealed on disconnection. Do you feel lucky?

I do not rely upon luck, I test and retest

 

[ianmcd]

If this is not the most tedious and repetative post on this site, then it is definately in the finals

 

[JohnD]

The legal answer is yes

what law is that in?

obviously an "at work" law does not apply to a homeowner DIYing at home.

A person who is not "an employee or self-employed person"

 

[denso13]

Exactly--so we are stuck with the Gas Regulations regarding a DIYer being competent

Yes, in fact anyone being competent

and whether there is any law placing an onus on them to demonstrate competency.

Not the law as such, but crystal clear guidance that if you cannot demonstrate competence in the ACOP you have to demonstrate it by some other means. Or you will be found at fault in court.