Do I just not get the tories here?

[ZenStalinist]

Michael Howard first of all expressed his thanks to britain, stating how he owes his life to this country. He mentions that his grandmother was a victim of the holocaust.

Then he attacks asylum and immigration. One rule for himself, another for everyone. Typical flipflopper. If it suits him in getting to live, it is good. yet if giving the other people the same chance costs a few quid on our taxes, it's all of a sudden terrible, out of control and must be stopped.

 

[big-all]

there you are z s

they are trying to pretend to be unselfish human beings a contradiction in terms

michael howard was one of the "evil tories" in the past
of course now he is a reformed caricter he is now a careing human being
[and i am now thick]
he is the same as portillo thinks they can show a "human face"
and people will belive he is a caring individual
once a selfish thug always a thug

 

[AdamW]

You have to look at the whole picture: in the 1940s, there were about 1.2 million jews in Europe, looking to resettle. Let's face it, you can't blame them for NOT wanting to live in or near Germany after that. Of these 1.2 million a sizeable number came to the UK, but I doubt it was more than 100,000. There were also Poles and various other people who had made the UK their home and wanted to remain here.

Now, bear in mind that we had just ended a war in which 400,000 Brits (mainly servicemen) had died. We needed to rebuild the country. We still had people away in far off lands. We needed manpower, whether it was men to rebuild the cities or women to work in the factories (to put a simplistic view on it).

However, now we have an overpopulated country. We have exceedingly high taxation. We don't need any more people just at the moment. No vacancies. No positions needing filling.

What MH, and myself, object to is the fact that these people travel through several friendly and enlightened countries to come to our hallowed island. Many don't speak English, so it can't be for convenience of language. They don't drink tea and eat roast dinners, so it can't be for culinary reasons. No. Most migrants are economic migrants whether they are white collar, blue collar or no collar. The ones which the British citizen objects to (to generalise) are the ones who come in and just place a burden on our country whether it be financial, economical or cultural.

I thoroughly object to almost all asylum seekers. Why pass through the whole of Europe on a tomato lorry to live here? Why not claim asylum in Germany, or France? Asylum seekers in the UK from within the Commonwealth (and suspended/ex Commonwealth countries) are acceptable to me, one example would be Zimbabweans who are/were/will be in danger from Adolf Mugabe and his fascist regime. And before anyone wonders, yes: black and white Zimbabweans.

 

[AdamW]

Let's make sure we keep this distant from connotations of racism: ethnicity and religion don't come into it in this case.

 

[IanDB]

We don't need any more people just at the moment. No vacancies. No positions needing filling.

We have an ageing population. If we stay as we are our population will decrease as families are having fewer children later in life. Unfortunately as we now expect to have the state provide everything for us (used to to be the family unit in the past) we have to pay for it through taxation.

We do need people who are going to maintain the input of youth into our working economy otherwise we will go into decline.

There's nothing wrong with immigration, after all we've been handling it since time began. However people should only come here if they have work to go to. Most of the temporary agricultural workers in this country come here on short term work permits from Eastern Europe - seems to work OK and suits UK plc. People seem to get the issues of immigraton and asylum mixed up - we need the first but offer the second because we are a humane society. People who abuse the privilege of the second by assuming it is their right, cause the problems. Not a simple problem for any government to resolve. The present one started off badly but seem to have got better.

 

[david and julie]

Thankyou Adam. I couldn't of put it better.

I would also exclude commonwealth countries too. They got independance but still hang on to our shirt tails when it suits.

These issues should be taken out of the politicians hands, it is a matter of common sense,we haven't got the room or resources for more people.

There are also the health implications, especially with Africa. Many people from there are working in the NHS, on the front line. There is no health screening, as in other countries, and many of them have AIDS or HIV.

Politicians (since Thatcher) and industries, have continually cut back on training and we are now paying the price by way of a skills shortage.

 

[pipme]

I don't think old MH will descend into power .... The Tories need to go the way of the Labourers ... Cull the old buffers and bring in the new, Old ways, old ideas ... the status quo ( ) I sense there are young bucks / buckess's starting to 'feel their' feet in the Tory engine room, and I do not mean the likes of the last 'youngster', Billy the kid Haig He was 'older', and ever was so, than all the rest put together !!

I have no doubt the Bees will remain in power ....... If Gordo keeps control of inflation as he has done, then so be it. ... Just hope the majority is trimmed somewhat to curb the nonsensical.

P

 

[jasy]

We don't need any more people just at the moment. No vacancies. No positions needing filling.

We have an ageing population. If we stay as we are our population will decrease as families are having fewer children later in life. Unfortunately as we now expect to have the state provide everything for us (used to to be the family unit in the past) we have to pay for it through taxation.

We do need people who are going to maintain the input of youth into our working economy otherwise we will go into decline.

There's nothing wrong with immigration, after all we've been handling it since time began. However people should only come here if they have work to go to. Most of the temporary agricultural workers in this country come here on short term work permits from Eastern Europe - seems to work OK and suits UK plc. People seem to get the issues of immigraton and asylum mixed up - we need the first but offer the second because we are a humane society. People who abuse the privilege of the second by assuming it is their right, cause the problems. Not a simple problem for any government to resolve. The present one started off badly but seem to have got better.

There is a problem here though. The majority of asylum seekers(or so it seems) either cannot or do not want to work yet expect handouts and unfortunately it seems get them. It is not the old living longer that is draining our resources it is malingerers that come here for a free handout. Oh by the way i aplogise to the malingerers that already live here and were born here...you are part of the problem as well.

 

[big-all]

There is a problem here though. The majority of asylum seekers(or so it seems) either cannot or do not want to work yet expect handouts and unfortunately it seems get them. It is not the old living longer that is draining our resources it is malingerers that come here for a free handout. Oh by the way i aplogise to the malingerers that already live here and were born here...you are part of the problem as well.[/quote]

asylem seekers are not allowed to work so there for cannot
contribute towards there upkeep

 

[masona]

And this is why the crime rate is up !!!!!! The biggest crime is pinching mobile phone.

 

[big-all]

And this is why the crime rate is up !!!!!! The biggest crime is pinching mobile phone.

its a bit of a sweeping generalisation masona sounds a bit
like the national front oo sorry ment the bnp sweeping statements that

houses have to be built on green belt land because
crime is up because
people feel unsafe because
we are all paying extra tax because

the only thing resposible for all these problems was ilegal immigrants

a load of crap of course but some people actualy believe
there biggoted rubbish

 

[AdamW]

At the end of the day, we are paying for them. Us. It might be small potatoes in the scheme of our annual incomes (although I doubt it), but I am sure most of us moan that the civil service is also something we are paying over the odds for. Why should we be paying for this?

It often helps to draw analogies: what if someone came into your house, uninvited, yet decided to move into your spare room. They don't pay rent. They might clean your bathroom from time to time, or alternatively (and more usually) they will just pinch cash out of your wallet every day. They make no attempt to adjust to your family's way of life, and every couple of days on the way to the bathroom you are confronted by one of their children begging for money.

Now, justify their being there.

 

[big-all]

a lot of the anger should be aimed at other countrys the
ones that turn a blind eye cos they know the problem will
pass through on there way towards other countries
the include france italy to name two
still makes me wonder why so many people will spend
thousands of pounds risk life and limb sepperation from there family

for what

 

[david and julie]

Masona is right, according to a Chief Constable on the telly a few months back. He was talking about (mainly) east europeans, they were into card scams, prostitution,pickpocketing and shoplifting in London on a grand scale. He said the UK was easy pickings for them.

BNP are a legitimate and lawful political party, you are not forced to agree with or vote for them. But they are entitled to their opinion.

The pensions and ageing population is a load of cobblers. What is the point in letting in these people now and giving yourselves an even bigger problem with pensions in the future.(When they are entitled to a pension too).

We are now becomming so PC that anyone who passes comment is labelled a racist.

The facts are that most British people are sick to death of these foriegners, and are powerless to stop it.

 

[big-all]

i certainly would not deny free speech it is essential
i am pleased the nf sorry bnp have nothing say other than blame
it on the immigrants
it just shows how racist they are

now i agree crimes are being commited all parts off society
which of course includes minority groups including asylem
seekers sometimes dispreportionate to there numbers
but it is only a small proportion that do these evil things
some asylem seekers ar not allowed any support whilst
they wait for there apeals and have to rely on charity
to survive

now i dont agree with theft or any thing criminal
but what would you suggest they live on whilst
awaiting there apeal