Do I just not get the tories here?

[david and julie]

The point is the the BNP are upfront in their views on these issues, whereas all the other parties are permitting mass infiltration of our country,with no mandate whatsoever. Once again the feelings and views of the vast majority(including many blacks and asians)are being ignored by bleeding heart liberals.

As others have said these people are bypassing other safe havens to come here, mainly to milk the system.

There are also the health issues.

TB was all but eradicated in this country but is now on the increase.

HIV. In the northwest region (where I live) in 2003 there were 725 new cases of HIV. 288 of these were refugees/asylum seekers from Africa. Each new case will eventually need treatment at £20k per case, per year, out of the NHS. The NHS is is struggling with waiting lists and funding problems now, without this extra burden.

I must stress I am not a racist or a BNP/NF supporter, I am just genuinely concerned about our countries future. We are only an island afterall.

 

[big-all]

helllooo david and julie nice to talk to you

could you please tell me the source of you "FACTS"about hiv please

as i am curious thank you very much

 

[AdamW]

now i dont agree with theft or any thing criminal
but what would you suggest they live on whilst
awaiting there apeal

I would suggest that legitimate asylum seekers are paid for by the government. But I would suspect my definition of legitimate asylum seekers would be different from that of the next man. People abuse the asylum system. I reckon there are very few legitimate asylum seekers.

In my view, a legitimate asylum seeker in the UK would be someone who is living in a country under a regime that contradicts British sensibilities. They are pretty much guaranteed to be murdered if they stay there. So they grab their wife and children and hot tail it out of the country. They head here because they have something to offer (anyone who is in THAT much danger is probably pretty useful to us).

If they are a genuine asylum seeker than they will stop anywhere: anything is better than what they have come from. If they end up all the way over here in the UK, they would have to have specific reasons to come to the UK (i.e. they would be a government official, scientist, or just an ordinary bloke who was witness to something that will later come up in a war-crimes tribunal). A true asylum seeker is pretty much a defector, and would be willing to offer anything and everything to the UK. And they would have to have something to offer.

What I would class as an illegal immigrant would be anyone who comes in here with the intention of staying for an extended period, uninvited, and without fulfilling the above criteria. You may think you are a freedom fighter, we may not. You may have a right to a better life than the one you have, but NOT at our expense. Stay in your own country, have ambition, work hard, enact change, try to make it the best at something.

I don't like the current government or the weather, but I'm not about to pack up and run off to the US, or New Zealand. And even if it was legal, I certainly wouldn't do it without a job to go to.

 

[david and julie]

Yes I got my figures from here.

http://www.nwpho.org.uk/home.asp

Although I didn't use it you can also look here too.

http://www.hpa.org.uk/

The cost of HIV drugs (£20K) as been widely reported in the media.

All. I am not being a xenophobe, these cases are really sad. Unfortunately the politicians don't tell us about these things.

BTW. I have friends who work in this field that is how I knew.

 

[big-all]

i agree with you entierly adam only a small percentage are asylem
seekers the vast majority are ecenomic mygrants
but that doesnt excuse people stirring up hatered by blaiming
them for all evils and problems in britain

 

[big-all]

thanks for that david and julie

at least its a reasonably reliable source rather than a bigoted
one sided veiw thanks again

 

[AdamW]

could you please tell me the source of you "FACTS"about hiv please

as i am curious thank you very much

My mum used to teach in a school near Heathrow airport. There were lots of illegal immigrants... I mean, scroungers... Sorry, asylum seekers, in that town. Of course, their kids had to be schooled, you can't have a child living in the UK without an education. And yes, illegals DO come in on planes too.

Now, from what my mum has told me, these young children were very nice kids. As in exceptionally nice kids; they had great respect for the teachers, and would pay attention in class whilst the homegrown kids (of all ethnicities I add) were being disruptive. I am not sure if it was culture, upbringing or just they were glad to be there. You could imagine them growing up with ambition and drive. That was the positive side of the matter.

However, when they get to my age the guys seem to go around knocking up any girl they can find. You might think "but no more than any Englishman would". However... That town now has children with HIV. So-called "AIDS babies". Are you telling me there isn't a link between large numbers of people migrating from an area of the world where AIDS is prevalent, and then the next batch of teen pregnancies in the area is coming out with HIV?

Oh, and by the way, I have it on good authority from people who have worked with both the social services and the police in the area, that needle drug use is rather uncommon round there and crack is the drug of choice.

 

[david and julie]

Big All. no problem.

Reasonably reliable figures? wouldn't be to sure mate, these places are more or less Government run.

BTW I didn't say who was to blame for crime, only what the copper said on the telly.

 

[AdamW]

but that doesnt excuse people stirring up hatered by blaiming
them for all evils and problems in britain

Well, I agree with you there. I don't think a witch-hunt attitude is the right approach. But, paradoxically perhaps, I do believe we should round up the illegals and send them elsewhere!

The last thing I want is a fascist party gaining power. I am not entirely sure where the BNP lie nowadays, but my impression is that they have detached and distanced themselves from the National Front. So I don't think it is fair to brand anyone who says "the BNP do have a point" as a fascist. The only trouble caused by the BNP nowadays appears to be the fact that wherever they go, loony liberals start heckling them and throwing lentil casseroles and sandals in their direction.

As Big says, we can't blame them for all the ills of our nation... but if we did kick them all out, it would give us one less excuse to moan, eh?

 

[big-all]

ok d and j

i dont know every thing[ well very little ]but i do try and get a ballanced
veiw if someone is getting a kicking[metaforicly]i try and defend them
i dont like biggoted racist material or veiws
i prefer a society when people try and work together rather than blame
any thing that moves for societys problems
i agree there is problems with ecenomic migrants with yobs on the streets
with blue collar crimes[insider trading]ect ect i know what drains the country more its negativity and vitreoel

 

[big-all]

unfortunatly adam that is the way of society narrow minded thoughts
think of the past it was the jews or the irish or the scots[thats me ]
the asian people pakastanies [a term of frendship] the indians
the afro caribean the poles ect ect
this country is a multiracial country with at varios times in history
more people leaving than comming in

 

[big-all]

another point adam is it is so easy to dissapear if you are refused
leave to apeal i dont wish any one to be wrongly sent to a brutal reshime
but once your apeals have been exausted you should be prepaired
for a holiday at"HOME" although i think the apeals process
is fately flawed and sends innocent people to danger
it of course gives people not in danger a stay off exicusion
basicly the goverment hasnt got a clue where most people that they would
like to give a busmans holiday too are

 

[pipme]

The criminal element are almost always 'streetwise' they will gain admission etc while genuine honest types fall foul of red tape.
We have all seen examples of this.

On the pensions note ... This is a factual job offer, from a Wiltshire market town. Out of hours GP required salary (this has risen by 23% due to lack of response) £120,000 you will not see this publicly advertised I wonder why ?!!! Look at the future implications of this lunacy .. in say 25yrs the GP in post retires with 40 yrs in, if his pay just kept pace with inflation (pay normally outstrips Inflation) then we have to fund in real terms the £120k for the incomer, £60k pa pension for outgoer plus a lump sum of £180k ... Now we know why state funded pensions in UK are in trouble, not the paltry £80 or so per wk for everyday people, but the lunatic pensions for those who have already been earning big enough salaries to fund themselves !!
Great is it not ? Take away free bussing to schools, so claw back the child allowance .. but pay those of means huge sums for doing nothing.
All 'state' pensions should be capped at Av pay... retirees become 'retired persons' not 'retired doctors or dentists'.

P

 

[masona]

its a bit of a sweeping generalisation masona sounds a bit like the national front oo sorry ment the bnp sweeping statements that

big-all,
No way I support the BNP, the only time I may give my vote to BNP is on the local election to give the other party a wake up call ! But at least they got the guts and stand up & be counted when we just whinge & moan.

a load of rubbish of course but some people actualy believe
there biggoted rubbish

I'm quite happy to tell you I live in Southend and at the end of the High Street there is a hotel called "The Palace Hotel" over looking Southend pier. There is over 900 asylum seekers which are only allow to come out between 10am to 5pm ( I wonder why? ) My wife and my son has their mobile pinch + handbag and they are also standing on street corners near a cash machine (again I wonder why ? ) My close friend who is a Chief Superintendant policeman (Mr Watson) said they cannot do anything because of their human right + government red tape to stop bad publicity.
My 2 sons do not go out anymore because one of his friend was stabbed for his wallet + mobile phone, there was nothing reported in Evening Echo because of bad publicity ( again I wonder why ? ).
The people who live up north, be very afraid because "The Palace Hotel" is now empty and have shifted them up somewhere in the north out of harm way ( again I wonder why ? ) The council started to wake up because the traders in the High Street are closing because of poor trading business ( again I wondered why )
My sister who divorce from her alcoholic husband and now living with 2 young girl on invalid's benefit who have to relies on my mum's who pay toward the mortage's and I help toward phone and shopping and any diy around the house because the benefit is a joke. Did someone say on here the asylum seekers don't get much, well my sister wished she was sometime.

Southend High Street is now safe, I wonder why ?

No before you ask I'm no way racist, just p*ssed off

I rest my case.

I fully agreed with david & Julie 100% and regarding the NHS because in my family generation they are all working for the NHS apart from me and the story they tell me make me sad.

 

[pipme]

Just a thought, I suppose in, to quote Adam, a country under a regime that contradicts British sensibilities. Maybe, if I were a criminal and the said country's system threatened to lock me up with hard labour for 3 years, no remission, but time added for bad behaviour. ... I suppose I would, in amongst the red tape which I am sure there are lawyers funded by us !!! sorting through for the minutae exclusion .. qualify for 'asylum' in UK, how do we find the facts on someone from a rogue regime ? So who do we believe ? I bet we just rubber stamp and decide it would cost too much and /or be impossible, pray it isn't our family that the incomer disrupts in any way if he/she should be a criminal.

Guess if old Tone and his mates had to live among 'Travellers' and ASers, they could then begin to pick the wheat from the chaff.....

Nice to be so incredibly rich, that wherever Tone bought a house you could buy each side and set up AS B&B's ...... Would he stay ?

Would he f