Do short jail sentences work?

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It's been on the news the last couple of days, that the government are/are not going to scrap short jail terms.
Ken Clarke seems to have had a change of mind and claims that sentences of less than 12 months do not allow a prisoner enough time to rehabilitate.
So what about the victims do they not deserve justice, surely if they need a longer time to rehabilitate, let it be so. Increase their sentence.
 
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This thread should now be locked. There is nothing of any sense to add.

Thank you Prentice.
 
jail sentences don't reflect any sense of justice for the victim. in fact what is the point of a jail sentence. In many cases, they're suspended, or run concurrently, or are commuted, or shortened on appeal, or parole...

and in a lot of cases, the people who are locked up want to be, because their lives are such, that prison represents a free version of their everyday lives.

So i think short sentences, do nothing more than prevent crims offending for a while. And possibly make them offend more when they get out...

the whole system needs a rethink...
 
as an ex con, the only thing that stopped me re offending was my anxiety,having said that, i have seen what priveligies you get today and am sorry to say, friends, plus me are talking about going back to crime.

****, but what do you expect.



Please don't slate me co's of my frankness.
 
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OK how's this for a rethink....

20 years for burglary (of any kind), without violence being committed.
25 years for burglary with violence being committed.
50 years for armed robbery.
LIFE meaning LIFE for everything more serious.

Let's suppose the first criminal is 22 when he commits the crime. He'll be 42 when he gets out. Long past his days of running from coppers.

The next level of crime, same age, he's 47 when he gets out, ditto the above.

The next level of crime, same age, if he gets out he's an old man and probably no risk to anyone.

The next level of crime, he won't be getting out and so poses absolutely no risk to society.

Yes it'll cost but we have to weigh up the cost v the cost of constantly having to clear up after the scum.

PAROLE is tossed in the bin. You get what you get.
 
It's been on the news the last couple of days, that the government are/are not going to scrap short jail terms.
Ken Clarke seems to have had a change of mind and claims that sentences of less than 12 months do not allow a prisoner enough time to rehabilitate.
So what about the victims do they not deserve justice, surely if they need a longer time to rehabilitate, let it be so. Increase their sentence.

Prison should be a punishment not a time of rehabilitation. Rehab should begin after the prison sentence.

If you get three years you serve three years with no time of for good behaviour, at the end of three years you are transferred to an open prison for three months to do a bit of rehab.

Any bad behaviour in prison should mean an extended stay, so the incentive is to behave and get out on time.

Life should mean life, you stay locked up until they take you out in a box.
 
Prison should be a punishment not a time of rehabilitation. Rehab should begin after the prison sentence.

If you get three years you serve three years with no time of for good behaviour, at the end of three years you are transferred to an open prison for three months to do a bit of rehab.

That would seem to be a logical system, evaluating each individuals needs and time that should be spent in rehab.

Any bad behaviour in prison should mean an extended stay, so the incentive is to behave and get out on time.
I thought that is how it does work?
but I don't get why parole or remission is given straight away and not earned.
Life should mean life, you stay locked up until they take you out in a box.
or just take them out!
 
There's an open prison near Derby (Sudbury Open Prison) The local papers have news of prisoners just walking out almost every week. Accompanied by the usual comments from the Prison Service,, " Well we don't consider this person dangerous, but please do not approach this person " etc.
Then right at the bottom of the column, you read that , such and such, was in prison for violent robbery/ murder/rape/shooting someone, etc.
What a shame, they've only just completed 4 yrs of a 15yr sentence and because of their apparent good behaviour, they get transferred to a prison with a hedge for a wall. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Open prisons, just don't get that.
How can a prison ever be considered to be open? If it's open it simply is not a prison!
Prisons are where people get locked away, not left to roam.
 
Got a mate who works in a prison. There was a rumour going around that one of our old classmates had been put away for glassing someone at a party, I asked him if he knew anything about it. He pretty much said, unlikely he'd get custodial sentence just for glassing someone, he'd have had to have done something really bad to get locked up, even then it wouldn't matter too much as prison is a doddle these days. :eek:

Prison ought to be concrete walls, steel bars for a window and a hole to **** in. If people want to behave like animals lets treat 'em like animals.

(I await my multiple thank you's. Soundbites eh? I shoulda been a politician)
 
PrenticeBoyofDerry said:
Open prisons, just don't get that.

Me neither. Prison is where you put dangerous criminals, preferably for a very long time. An open prison is a contradiction in terms. Anybody considered safe enough to be in an open prison should be down at the local rubbish dump removing all the plastic from the compostable waste pile - or maybe in a subway with a scrubbing brush. We're far too quick to lock people up for not paying fines or, worse, their poll tax. :eek: :eek: :eek: That's a ridiculous use of an expensive facility. If they can't pay in cash, let them pay in sweat!

I've heard the arguments before about criminals laughing at community service orders - and no wonder when they're so ridiculously short. "Ordered to do a hundred hours of community service." How often have we heard that? A hundred hours is a mere two weeks' work with overtime. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Here's how I would calculate things. For each month in prison, substitute 500 hours. Yes, that's five hundred hours - and that's a very short sentence for first time offenders only. Archer got four years in an open prison for perjury. That's four years at our expense and, from what I remember, he laughed it off. I'd like to have seen him laugh after 24,000 hours grubbing around in muck! :evil: :evil: :evil:
 
i saw the title of this thread and was going to chuck a flippant comment in, something like-

yea, short sentences work, about 3 months is long enough for an apprentice scumbag to learn how to hot wire cars and manufacturer crack cocaine in the comfort of your rented accomodation.

However, through course of my work, i have met a few ex-cons (even worked inside HMP Ranby a couple of times, that was interesting, amongst other bits, had to give the warders a complete inventory of what was in my tool case).

A previous poster mention Sudbury open. One of the folk i am acquainted with spent a 4 month holiday there. Having listened to his story of what happened and why he did what he did, it may seem strange to some folk, but i felt really sorry for him. (it wasn't an act of dis-honesty or violence, rather an illegal, small scale way of manufacturing a, erm, 'natural product') He is now ( i would say) repentant and rehabilitated and earns a meagre but honest living as a driver/labourer.

I think if he had been tarred with the same brush as a murder/rapist etc. we would now have one less driver and one more scumbag. Who knows what downward spiral he may have taken?
I think the punishment should fit the crime, although there is a saying that goes something like -an eye for an eye makes the world blind (don't know who gets credit for that) i think there should be more scope within the justice system to give fitting punishment. Light sentences for minor crime, big 'lock'em up and chuck the key' sentences for real evil hearted scum. Life should mean life, not just ten to twenty years. The likes of shipman, the wests that nutter who killed those two girls in soham ( don't recall his name?) and proper mentalists like that should be incarcerated until the day they die of a natural cause. (yea i know some of the evil worms managed to top themselves, how unfair)

(edit for spelling and to remove capital letters from shipman and west.)
 
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