Do you enjoy driving?

[joe-90]

You don't seem to do much motorway driving Bernard. The left lane is full of trucks, buses and caravans. When I overtake one (at a legal speed) there is another one to overtake. No traffic cop will pull someone over for sitting on the speed limit. What speed do you sit on when passing a speed camera? Do you expect to get pulled up for travelling at the speed limit?

So what do you suggest I do when I overtake a line of traffic that stretches to the horizon?

Oh and bear in mind that no vehicle can legally catch up with me.

 

[masona]

or perhaps it becomes mentally tiring because its physically tiring (alright, I'm a big guy and I drive a samll car, and its not always comfortable!)

So anyone else here not really enjoy driving?

I didn't enjoy driving but do now since I have a new difference car, I think the problem is that you got to find the car that suit you and make it a pleasure to drive. My car is so comfortable and very quite plus also having an auto is a bonus in traffic jam. I have loads of gadgets in my car and I think I need a pilot licence to operate it

 

[bernardgreen]

So what do you suggest I do when I overtake a line of traffic that stretches to the horizon?

I said use lane two until you can pull in, if that is beyond the horizon then stay in lane two.

Oh and bear in mind that no vehicle can legally catch up with me.

O yes it can. any vehicle legally claiming exemption may do so. Most have lots of flashing lights and sirens but not all. Hinder one of those because you think they should slow down to the limit and you may find yourself in trouble.

And if it is a vehicle illegally driven above the speed limit then who knows what they may do to get past you. They are after all driving wih out due care for others already so what the heck if they cause an accident that doesn't involve them.

 

[joe-90]

They can use the outside lane Bernard - just like those vehicles with the flashing lights do.

 

[megawatt]

Joe-90 Wrote:

No traffic cop will pull someone over for sitting on the speed limit

Don't you believe it Joe I've seen it with my own eyes.

Silly old duffer (probably with your mentality ... I'm doing 70 mph so why should I let them pass) sat in the fast lane on the M6 holding everyone up as pretty much everyone else was driving faster (or would have done if he'd got out of the way).

Police car was about three cars back in the fast lane and I was 2 cars behind him all doing 70 mph (as everyone does when a panda is present).

After the duffer had not taken a couple of opportunities to pull over to the left hand lane the panda stuck on the blues and twos and pulled him over.

My mate who's a DS down here says that in cases like these, particularly where there is congestion, the police are more concerned about the safe and consistent flow of traffic rather than the actual speed (within reason obviously) and this guy, being different to everyone else, was the potential hazard so they removed him ... Quite right too IMO as he had no reason to block the fast lane ... Other than stubborn stupidity.

This tactic is well proven on German autobahn's where fast speed isn't a safety issue ... Speed difference is what they monitor.

MW

 

[securespark]

The main reason that no-one gets done for driving between 70-80 mph is that the 10% +2mph rule makes the minimum speed at which you can be prosecuted on a 70mph road is 79mph.

 

[joe-90]

It's not a rule at all. The speed is 70mph. That is the speed you should be travelling at. The point I am making is that you cannot use the left lane on the M1 as it's full of trucks. That means you have to overtake, and you are not legally entitled to exceed that limit.

 

[joe-90]

Joe-90 Wrote:

No traffic cop will pull someone over for sitting on the speed limit

Don't you believe it Joe I've seen it with my own eyes.

Silly old duffer (probably with your mentality ... I'm doing 70 mph so why should I let them pass) sat in the fast lane on the M6 holding everyone up as pretty much everyone else was driving faster (or would have done if he'd got out of the way).

Well suppose the left lane was chocca with trucks, and he couldn't move into the left lane - what then?

 

[megawatt]

Joe-90 Wrote:

Well suppose the left lane was chocca with trucks, and he couldn't move into the left lane - what then?

You're selectively reading my posts again Joe as I did say that the guy was only pulled by the dibble after he'd failed to pull over when he had the opportunity ...

After the duffer had not taken a couple of opportunities to pull over to the left hand lane the panda stuck on the blues and twos and pulled him over.

Joe also wrote:

It's not a rule at all. The speed is 70mph

Not true Joe, the 10% + 2mph rule is used by the police to allow for the variation in speed indication due to wheel and tyre tread size and accuracy of the speedo's (both mechanics and visual acuity) to secure convictions. If you need proof of these inaccuracies check out your speedo readings at a constant speed (say 70 mph ) against something like a GPS talex (which I have). My speedo consistently overreads by 2 mph which is on the safer side ... Equal numbers underread though which is why the rule is there.

Incidentally, the reason my speedo overreads is because I had 17" alloys fitted as an option (standard is 16" on my car and this is what the speedo is calabrated for).

There is speculation that, due to the increased accuracies of equipment, these tolerances will be reduced in the near future which should suit you

MW

 

[Shutpa]

The main reason that no-one gets done for driving between 70-80 mph is that the 10% +2mph rule makes the minimum speed at which you can be prosecuted on a 70mph road is 79mph.

Well said securespark and if the police were to charge someone for travelling in the 70's it would be thrown out of court.

 

[libby lou lou]

The police will say, in bad weather, do 60, in fine weather do 80, whatever the conditions allow, cast in stone. use your head.

 

[joe-90]

It makes no difference what the Police think. The maximum speed permitted by law on our roads is 70mph. If it were permissible to travel at 80 mph then the speed limits would show 80mph.

If you were driving in a 30 zone and doing 35 and you struck a child then there would be the much greater likelihood that that child would die. As the TV advert says - IT'S 30 FOR A REASON.

If a pedestrian is struck at 30 mph then 80% will live.

If a pedestrian is stuck at 40 mph - the 80% of them will die.

So where does your 10% rule fit in?

In many cities the limit is to be reduced to 20mph so the authorities clearly disagree with your 10% rule.

 

[bernardgreen]

So where does your 10% rule fit in?

from the need to allow for in-accurate speedometers in the vehicle.

 

[joe-90]

So where does your 10% rule fit in?

from the need to allow for in-accurate speedometers in the vehicle.

But the fact remains that the speed limit is set by law.

If I run someone down and I am speeding then there is NO excuse whatsoever to account for my speedometer.

Also, if I am travelling at 80mph on the motorway (according to my speedo) then due to inaccuracies - how do I know what speed I am really travelling at? You've just made a mockery of your own 'made-up' law.

 

[megawatt]

Joe, you really do write some nonsense at times on this forum.

Perhaps it would help if you actually read what others write and attempt to respond to what they are saying rather than what you are thinking.

Let me try to put this in clear simple terms for you.

1. Nobody has stated that the speed limit set by law is not 70 mph.

2. Nobody has stated that people have less chance of being killed at 35 mph than 30 mph.

3. What everyone has been trying to tell you is ...

Now read this bit carefully

You may be driving along the road at 70 mph (actual) but your speedo may say 79 mph

or, conversely

Your speedo may say that you are driving at 70 mph but you are ACTUALLY doing 79 mph

This is nothing to do with the law it is a reflection of inaccuracies with the technology and visual acuity on some speedos.

You wrote:

It makes no difference what the Police think. The maximum speed permitted by law on our roads is 70mph. If it were permissible to travel at 80 mph then the speed limits would show 80mph.

Hmmmnnnnn ... You do have an odd view of the world.

Fortunately for us all the police force (who decide whether to forward your case to the CPS for prosecution) use the 10% + 2 mph rule in this determination ... Common sense really.

Also, if I am travelling at 80mph on the motorway (according to my speedo) then due to inaccuracies - how do I know what speed I am really travelling at? You've just made a mockery of your own 'made-up' law.

Not at all, you DON'T KNOW what your actual speed is because it can be up to 10% + 2 mph different in either direction from what your speedo is telling you ... THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE RULE.

I'd love to know what's going on inside your head, you're a psychologist's dream ... They could get an entire book out of you

MW