Electrical Certificate and My electrician

[Risteard]

"For an addition or alteration which does not extend to the introduction of new circuits, a MEIWC may be used."

I read that 'may' as 'may be used instead of EIC'; not 'may or may not bother with any certificate'.

To this reader, that reading is so bl****ng obvious that it has never, ever occurred to me that anybody could possibly "read" it any other way.

Really the onus is on you to prove a requirement within the Wiring Regulations for certification to be issued for the replacement of an accessory which is not being relocated (and quite clearly was not a distribution board).

 

[JohnW2]

Really the onus is on you to prove a requirement within the Wiring Regulations for certification to be issued for the replacement of an accessory which is not being relocated (and quite clearly was not a distribution board).

Do you undertake any tests when you replace accessories (without relocation)? If so, where do you document the results (or don't you bother?)?

Kind Regards, John

 

[Risteard]

Really the onus is on you to prove a requirement within the Wiring Regulations for certification to be issued for the replacement of an accessory which is not being relocated (and quite clearly was not a distribution board).

Do you undertake any tests when you replace accessories (without relocation)? If so, where do you document the results (or don't you bother?)?

Kind Regards, John

Generally a Zs test would be sufficient, and I may or may not record the result.

If a client wants a certificate then of course they can have one (but it will be dearer as it will require the time to fill it out and post it, etc.)

I'm certainly not suggesting that a certificate shouldn't be done - just that there is absolutely no requirement for one.

 

[JohnW2]

Do you undertake any tests when you replace accessories (without relocation)? If so, where do you document the results (or don't you bother?)?

Generally a Zs test would be sufficient, and I may or may not record the result.

Does that mean that, if you were providing (on request, for a price) a minor works cert, you would leave the other bits (earth continuity, IR, polarity, RCD tests) blank?

Kind Regards, John

 

[Risteard]

Do you undertake any tests when you replace accessories (without relocation)? If so, where do you document the results (or don't you bother?)?

Generally a Zs test would be sufficient, and I may or may not record the result.

Does that mean that, if you were providing (on request, for a price) a minor works cert, you would leave the other bits (earth continuity, IR, polarity, RCD tests) blank?

Kind Regards, John

That depends what is agreed in advance obviously. It's all academic as I wouldn't be claiming responsibility for existing wiring - merely for the replacement of an accessory, so the certificate would be of little real value.

 

[EFLImpudence]

"For an addition or alteration which does not extend to the introduction of new circuits, a MEIWC may be used."
I read that 'may' as 'may be used instead of EIC'; not 'may or may not bother with any certificate'.

To this reader, that reading is so bl****ng obvious that it has never, ever occurred to me that anybody could possibly "read" it any other way.

Really the onus is on you to prove a requirement within the Wiring Regulations for certification to be issued for the replacement of an accessory which is not being relocated (and quite clearly was not a distribution board).

Are you confusing notification and certification?

Unless you want to quibble about whether a replacement shower, for example, is an installation (i.e has to be installed) then 610 would seem to apply.

 

[JohnW2]

Does that mean that, if you were providing (on request, for a price) a minor works cert, you would leave the other bits (earth continuity, IR, polarity, RCD tests) blank?

That depends what is agreed in advance obviously. It's all academic as I wouldn't be claiming responsibility for existing wiring - merely for the replacement of an accessory, so the certificate would be of little real value.

It's not really about 'claiming responsibility' for anything - it's to do with documenting the results (and providing the customer with a copy of that documentation) of whatever tests you feel are appropriate as part of the work you have been contracted to undertake.

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

I must be missing something, here.

I would not want to fit a replacement shower without testing the circuit - polarity, RCD working, EFLI at least.
So you should (may as well) give the customer a copy to show you care, if nothing else.

 

[JohnW2]

I must be missing something, here. I would not want to fit a replacement shower without testing the circuit - polarity, RCD working, EFLI at least. So you should (may as well) give the customer a copy to show you care, if nothing else.

Quite so - that was obviously my implication when I wrote:

Does that mean that, if you were providing (on request, for a price) a minor works cert, you would leave the other bits (earth continuity, IR, polarity, RCD tests) blank?

If I were having work of any sort done which required testing of one sort or another, I would expect to receive a copy of the test results as part of that job - not 'for additional charge' as Risteard suggested.

Kind Regards, John