EV estate

[carmanmemoranda]

I would suggest that because of an old Yank costing a fraction of an EV and having zero depreciation if it's condition is maintained - would be far cheaper to run than an EV.

Plus you get the fantastic burble of a big 'V' rather than an annoying whine like a milk float.

Far cheaper to run?

Are you including reliability and parts availability?

What will you run for the time it's off the road ? 2 cars? Sort of defeats the idea

 

[Avocet]

I would suggest that because of an old Yank costing a fraction of an EV and having zero depreciation if it's condition is maintained - would be far cheaper to run than an EV.

Good luck running a classic Yank Tank estate as a daily driver over (say) 5 years, "far cheaper" than a second hand EV...

Plus you get the fantastic burble of a big 'V' rather than an annoying whine like a milk float.

I'm sure the Yank V8 would sound absolutely wonderful, but do yourself a favour and try and go out in an EV some time. You'll quickly find out that the only "whining noise" you can hear, will be the anti-EV Luddites chuntering away to themselves in the background...

 

[freddiemercurystwin]

You'll quickly find out that the only "whining noise" you can hear, will be the anti-EV Luddites chuntering away to themselves in the background...

You mean all of the car drivers who live in a flat or a house with no driveway with no practical way to home charge?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I'm sure the Yank V8 would sound absolutely wonderful, but do yourself a favour and try and go out in an EV some time. You'll quickly find out that the only "whining noise" you can hear, will be the anti-EV Luddites chuntering away to themselves in the background...

You need to change your batteries - hearing aid, not EV. EVs make quite a distinctive whine, not unlike an Express Dairies milk float.

 

[Avocet]

You need to change your batteries - hearing aid, not EV. EVs make quite a distinctive whine, not unlike an Express Dairies milk float.

Tell me... do you ever get a bit self-conscious, telling a bloke who drives an EV every day, what EVs are supposed to sound like?

I mean, anyone with a bit more self-awareness or insight, might feel something closer to embarrassment (never mind self-consciousness!) when talking to someone who was in a much better position to know these things than they were, but maybe you don't?

Have you tried walking into your local concert hall and telling the pianist what a piano sounds like?

 

[Avocet]

You mean all of the car drivers who live in a flat or a house with no driveway with no practical way to home charge?

No, I have some sympathy for them. I've never really had a problem with folk who have genuine obstacles to overcome. It's the idiots who go round inventing BS excuses who I can't abide...

 

[johnny2007]

If you're in UK rather than some far east colonies like London or Manchester, just get yourself a Passat B5 1.9TDI.
60mpg average and you can even lay a double mattress with the rear seats down.

 

[freddiemercurystwin]

No, I have some sympathy for them. I've never really had a problem with folk who have genuine obstacles to overcome.

Prey tell what will the 20-30 million people (or whatever) do once the ban on ICE's comes into play? Please explain.

 

[IT Minion]

Prey tell what will the 20-30 million people (or whatever) do once the ban on ICE's comes into play? Please explain.

... keep driving their existing cars or buy secondhand. Or buy an EV? What do you think is going to happen when new ICE vehicles are banned?

And by then there will be more car parks with chargers, more on street chargers, faster chargers, service stations with chargers. It's all manageable.

 

[freddiemercurystwin]

And by then there will be more car parks with chargers, more on street chargers, faster chargers, service stations with chargers. It's all manageable.

You think the tens of millions of current ICE drivers who have no home access to chargers (and never will) will all be able to access that without any form of convenience? Of which there is an embarrassingly pathetic amount installed so far? This is my local town:

So all good there with a population of 15K we're laughing! You're off your trolley. I'm yet to meet an EV owner who doesn't have their own driveway.

 

[Avocet]

Prey tell what will the 20-30 million people (or whatever) do once the ban on ICE's comes into play? Please explain.

20-30 million...?! There's only 68 million in the whole country! Of those, only 42 million even have a driving licence! And of those only about 35 million actually own a car...

So I think we can fairly safely say that it's not going to be 20-30 million people we're talking about here...

But yes, some will struggle to switch to an EV right now. That's why this is going to be quite a long haul. Let's assume that Labour manage to cling to their 2030 "vanity date" for ending new sales of pure ICEs. (Something doubt, but let's assume it anyway as a worst case).

So in 2030, IF they want a new car at all, they're going to have to buy a hybrid. No probs. They can fill those with fuel like any ICE, if they're still desperate to give the oil companies their money.

Then in 2035, folk won't be able to buy new cars with any kind of petrol or diesel engine in them. Of course, even then, they won't have to buy a battery EV. They could buy a hydrogen car (lots of people keep telling us that hydrogen is the future, after all)... No problems not being able to refuel your hydrogen car at home, because nobody will be able to do that, so it'll still just be like an ICE, having to drive to a special place to get your fuel....

But maybe even that's too big a leap and you need to get your "oil fix" for an ICE car. They live about 15 years on average, so you're not likely to see viable second hand ones disappearing until around 2050

Do you really feel that by then, we won't have suitable charging solutions available? Other countries (with far higher percentages of their populations living in flats an apartments seem to be managing!

 

[flameport]

So all good there with a population of 15K we're laughing! Y

Of that 15000, around 3000 will be under 18 so won't be driving or owning a car.
Of the rest, around 25% won't have a driving licence.
4% of cars in the UK are EVs, so being super generous and assuming that national averages apply and everyone who can drive also owns a car, that's about 360 cars in Teignmouth that would need charging - and plenty of those people will have home charging, and most won't need to be charged every day.

Meanwhile the other 8000+ will have to make do with the three petrol filling stations in the town.

EV charging facilities are being installed all the time. Thousands every month.
Yes there are some areas which have too few, and others which have too many - both of which are temporary problems which will be solved long before the majority of cars are electric.

 

[IT Minion]

You think the tens of millions of current ICE drivers who have no home access to chargers (and never will) will all be able to access that without any form of convenience? Of which there is an embarrassingly pathetic amount installed so far? This is my local town:

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So all good there with a population of 15K we're laughing! You're off your trolley. I'm yet to meet an EV owner who doesn't have their own driveway.

Yes.

Right now EVs make up 4% of cars on the road. Nearly all of them belong to people who have home charging, obviously. The market for away from home charging is tiny, why would there be a flood of chargers available now?

People demand "how can there be so few chargers available?" when really the question is how could it be any different?

 

[freddiemercurystwin]

You guys have all the excuses but no solutions. You can argue about numbers but the stark contrasts in numbers are for real, OK so 8000 drivers have a dozen charging points if they don't have their own driveway. Sounds great!

 

[IT Minion]

You guys have all the excuses but no solutions. You can argue about numbers but the stark contrasts in numbers are for real, OK so 8000 drivers have a dozen charging points if they don't have their own driveway. Sounds great!

Flameport did the explanation well, although I managed to reproduce their work.

When there is a market for them then more chargers will get installed. It's only electrical engineering.

Also you got your numbers wrong, roughly 1/3 don't have driveways or dedicated parking. Much less in smaller towns like Teignmouth.