Evolution part II

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Pred, imho, you are feeding a nob or troll... ;)

Sorry BT but i agree with everything Hysteresis wrote in his reply.
Er, I screwed up there :oops:

'Juggling thread syndrome'. Normal service will resume.

Apologising for a screw up should be encouraged. Feels like I'm the only one who ever does though; on any forum...

I too agree with Hysteresis :)
 
Pred, imho, you are feeding a nob or troll... ;)

Sorry BT but i agree with everything Hysteresis wrote in his reply.
Er, I screwed up there :oops:

'Juggling thread syndrome'. Normal service will resume.

Apologising for a screw up should be encouraged. Feels like I'm the only one who ever does though; on any forum...


Thats alright mate, at least you can admit to screwing up, (A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T) you are probably feeling a lot better now for seeing the light and although you probably still don't agree with everything about religion and the starving masses in Africa just by opening your mind a little at a time you will get there.. also i would just like to welcome you to atheism along with the rest of us.. :D
 
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God gave man free will do as he wished.

Joe - There is NO God to give man anything, man has always done what he wants, as has ALL of the animals and insects of this world. Man is no different.
Your comment is the stock answer for the God Botherers who can't answer the many questions posed by their religion.
When you can't answer just say its God's Will.
Now what sort of evidence is that.
It's not evidence its just a demonstration of absolute stupidity.

The free will was granted before the human race was created, then God backed off and left us to it.
 
We're cool Pred I think :)

God gave man free will do as he wished.

Joe - There is NO God to give man anything, man has always done what he wants, as has ALL of the animals and insects of this world. Man is no different.
Your comment is the stock answer for the God Botherers who can't answer the many questions posed by their religion.
When you can't answer just say its God's Will.
Now what sort of evidence is that.
It's not evidence its just a demonstration of absolute stupidity.
Yes Hysteresis, and sorry for my earlier indiscretion...
 
We're cool Pred I think :)

God gave man free will do as he wished.

Joe - There is NO God to give man anything, man has always done what he wants, as has ALL of the animals and insects of this world. Man is no different.
Your comment is the stock answer for the God Botherers who can't answer the many questions posed by their religion.
When you can't answer just say its God's Will.
Now what sort of evidence is that.
It's not evidence its just a demonstration of absolute stupidity.
Yes Hysteresis, and sorry for my earlier indiscretion...



Cool man :cool: pass the joint!!
 
Watched Red Nose Day on TV last night and the plight of those poor children on Africa. IF ever you need evidence of the NON existence of a caring God then this program shows it.
If this is what a caring God allows to happen to HIS people, then I want absolutely nothing to do with him. It confirms that a God of any form just does not exist.
I am sure Breadnbutter will have some ridiculous excuse for what is happening in Africa, no matter what the excuse is it is abhorrent in it's extreme.
We may be to blame for a lot of this suffering by interfering with what evolution does to limit population when we gave money from Live Aid 20 years ago, only to make the problem 10 times worse now.
Interfere with evolution and this is what you produce.

i dont make excuses.
blaming God is the last thing you want to do,if you want to help.
its by Gods help that there is many christian ministrys helping the poorest

what dont help is corrupt governments,bent on power and wealth,civil wars,ect that rob the aid,and stop these countrys developing.
 
Watched Red Nose Day on TV last night and the plight of those poor children on Africa. IF ever you need evidence of the NON existence of a caring God then this program shows it.
If this is what a caring God allows to happen to HIS people, then I want absolutely nothing to do with him. It confirms that a God of any form just does not exist.
I am sure Breadnbutter will have some ridiculous excuse for what is happening in Africa, no matter what the excuse is it is abhorrent in it's extreme.
We may be to blame for a lot of this suffering by interfering with what evolution does to limit population when we gave money from Live Aid 20 years ago, only to make the problem 10 times worse now.
Interfere with evolution and this is what you produce.

i dont make excuses.
blaming God is the last thing you want to do,if you want to help.
its by Gods help that there is many christian ministrys helping the poorest

what dont help is corrupt governments,bent on power and wealth,civil wars,ect that rob the aid,and stop these countrys developing.



Are you telling me there are no atheist or muslims giving aid in Africa, surely its not just shirt lifters giving it out??
 
God gave man free will do as he wished.

Joe - There is NO God to give man anything, man has always done what he wants, as has ALL of the animals and insects of this world. Man is no different.
Your comment is the stock answer for the God Botherers who can't answer the many questions posed by their religion.
When you can't answer just say its God's Will.
Now what sort of evidence is that.
It's not evidence its just a demonstration of absolute stupidity.


no its not stupid, it is about choice,free will. Gods word can answer why this world is mess,but people choose to denie it, refuse its truth ,slag it off,
thats stupidity. but its there choice. but the choices we make have consequences, we are all accountable.

evolution has no answers to the worlds problems, but Gods word tells us why were in a mess,and whats going to happen in the future.
 
Watched Red Nose Day on TV last night and the plight of those poor children on Africa. IF ever you need evidence of the NON existence of a caring God then this program shows it.
If this is what a caring God allows to happen to HIS people, then I want absolutely nothing to do with him. It confirms that a God of any form just does not exist.
I am sure Breadnbutter will have some ridiculous excuse for what is happening in Africa, no matter what the excuse is it is abhorrent in it's extreme.
We may be to blame for a lot of this suffering by interfering with what evolution does to limit population when we gave money from Live Aid 20 years ago, only to make the problem 10 times worse now.
Interfere with evolution and this is what you produce.

i dont make excuses.
blaming God is the last thing you want to do,if you want to help.
its by Gods help that there is many christian ministrys helping the poorest

what dont help is corrupt governments,bent on power and wealth,civil wars,ect that rob the aid,and stop these countrys developing.



Are you telling me there are no atheist or muslims giving aid in Africa, surely its not just shirt lifters giving it out??

whos the shirt lifters :confused:
no i am saying that God is working through his church, to help,which is by far the best way,becuase all the good done, is protected by God,and no one can prevail against it. it is blessed and grows and prospers.
becuase its built upon a rock.
 
I think you will find that the religeous doctrines of the world have more than their fair share of shirt lifters, i'm surprised Jimmy Saville was not a Pope or vicar or similar..
 
B&B Says "no i am saying that God is working through his church"

Pray tell, which is gods church??
 
Breadnbutter is doing the God Bothering thing again with phrases such as "It is God's Word". It isn't Gods word at all. If you quote the Bible or The Qoran, then these are the words of MEN who seem to think God has told them something. Now come on 'Give your Head a Shake'.
It's MAN'S word made to gullible people so as they can control and rule over them.

The Africa Aid thing has rather back Fired in that the developed word has saved an awful lot of lives, lives which have subsequently bred like rabbits and amplified the problem to the extent we see today.
It was suggested Mass Sterilisation would help. A sentiment with which I totally agree. This would be treating the cause of the problem and not the effect which is what has been happening for the last 20 years or so. A way to treat the cause would be to treat the suffering to alleviate their unimaginable pain but in return they must do their bit by not reproducing so many children. Ask them to stop bonking at every opportunity is futile so the deal should be that in return for treatment then they should undertake sterilisation.
I know the do gooders will object but the do gooders are amplifying the problem in that the Catholic doctrine disallows the use of condoms hence the number of kids. The Catholic teaching should encourage the use of condoms and so help solve the problem by addressing the cause. The catholic teaching of not using contraceptives is a prime example of the religion introducing rules masked by the idea that it is The Word of God, the rule is practiced so that the numbers of their faith is ensured to increase exponentially and in doing so gives the leaders of the religion even more power.
If that is God's word then God is responsible for all of this suffering.
The whole process of evolution is very much like a closed loop control system. If you treat the effect then that becomes positive feedback and results in instability. The biology example of our school days of the Fox and Rabbit population comes to mind. In that example what you have is a closed loop control system with a high Gain and produces oscillatory instability. The gain being the reproduction rate of the animals involved. In the Africa case you have instability produced by introducing positive feedback into the loop by treating the effect. To stabilise a closed loop control system, the first thing to address is reducing the Gain of the loop, in this case it would be the reduction of the reproduction rate (ie the Gain of the Loop), As with all closed loop control systems that would produce stability.
So Mass sterilisation is the only answer as the God Botherer's/Roman Catholicism will not allow the reduction of the loop gain by the use of condoms. Going on treating the effect will further enhance the loop instability.
Very simple Control Loop theory in the application of Science.
 
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