Evolution part II

"One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night, and it struck me that I had been working on this [evolution] stuff for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That's quite a shock to learn that one can be so misled so long. Either there was something wrong with me or there was something wrong with evolutionary theory. Naturally, I know there is nothing wrong with me ....."

"[The] question is: Can you tell me anything you KNOW about Evolution? Any one thing? Any one thing that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of Evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time, and eventually one person said, "I do know one thing - it ought not to be taught in high school"."

Part of a keynote address given at the American Museum of Natural History by Dr Colin Patterson (Senior Palaeontologist, British Museum of Natural History, London) in 1981. Unpublished t
 
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My gripe with evolution is the way it's described - almost as though it's conciously changing to solve problems - it isn't. Genetic anomolies mean that the species can potentialy sidestep problems, or introduce improvements, or a combination of both.

For example, the group of giraffes with the longer neck may also have missed out on the heart valve defect commonly found on the shorter necked variety?
 
If the giraffe needed a long neck to reach tree branches that others couldn't reach to survive - why didn't all the other species that live lower down die out? Better still, why didn't it just start eating grass?

How did the one way valves in its neck all evolve at the same time?
 
joe-90 said:
If the giraffe needed a long neck to reach tree branches that others couldn't reach to survive - why didn't all the other species that live lower down die out? Better still, why didn't it just start eating grass?

How did the one way valves in its neck all evolve at the same time?
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The "need to change to survive" isn't what evolution is about...it's about a mutation that works better - by chance !

Not sure i mentioned "one-way neck valves" either... lol !
 
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what about the ozone layer,the moons gravital pull,on the sea currants,would not the sea stagnate,and not be able to support the abundant sea life we got.
ect

its well engineered.
 
Sombrero said:
joe-90 said:
If the giraffe needed a long neck to reach tree branches that others couldn't reach to survive - why didn't all the other species that live lower down die out? Better still, why didn't it just start eating grass?

How did the one way valves in its neck all evolve at the same time?
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The "need to change to survive" isn't what evolution is about...it's about a mutation that works better - by chance !

Not sure i mentioned "one-way neck valves" either... lol !
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I know what evolution is thanx all the same. From which common ancestor did the giraffe evolve? And how did it evolve multiple neck valves? In what way do they make the giraffe work better during its evolution?
 
joe-90 said:
Sombrero said:
joe-90 said:
If the giraffe needed a long neck to reach tree branches that others couldn't reach to survive - why didn't all the other species that live lower down die out? Better still, why didn't it just start eating grass?

How did the one way valves in its neck all evolve at the same time?
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The "need to change to survive" isn't what evolution is about...it's about a mutation that works better - by chance !

Not sure i mentioned "one-way neck valves" either... lol !
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I know what evolution is thanx all the same. From which common ancestor did the giraffe evolve? And how did it evolve multiple neck valves? In what way do they make the giraffe work better during its evolution?
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I don't know where the giraffe came from...? antelope? camel? i have no idea...

and what is this obsession you have with "neck valves"? i only mentioned potential dodgy heart valves !

My point is, that evolution is not driven, it's consequential ! so often commentators say animal x changed to avoid xyz... it didn't though! an anomoly in the repetititve "combine genes and give birth" lottery meant that some new version sidestepped a particular predator or problem..
 
But the giraffe wasn't one day an antelope and the next day a giraffe - so where is the fossil evidence of all the stages in between?

In order to survive with a long neck it needs a number of one way neck valves - how did they come into being at the same time it grew (quite by accident) a long neck?
 
joe-90 said:
But the giraffe wasn't one day an antelope and the next day a giraffe - so where is the fossil evidence of all the stages in between?

In order to survive with a long neck it needs a number of one way neck valves - how did they come into being at the same time it grew (quite by accident) a long neck?
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you're on a different thread to me... i'm not discussing the intricases of the giraffe, but the broader definition of what an evolutionary step actualy is.
 
Well tell us what it is then and give us an example. (he won't) :mrgreen:
 
joe-90 said:
Well tell us what it is then and give us an example. (he won't) :mrgreen:
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oh i will ! lol...

this is what i'm on about..

"My point is, that evolution is not driven, it's consequential ! so often commentators say animal x changed to avoid xyz... it didn't though! an anomoly in the repetititve "combine genes and give birth" lottery meant that some new version sidestepped a particular predator or problem.."

forget giraffes, think lemurs or frogs, or trees? etc
 
gasbanni said:
Dangerous nonsense so true, were not the Nazis advocates of survival of the fittest ? they weren't very fit then were they !
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Why don't you look up an English translation of Mein Kampf, and search for "evolution". Oh wait, someone has already done it for you:

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/EvolNazi.HTM

"Darwin" never occurs. Not once.
"Evolution" occurs twelve times in the English translation. Out of roughly a quarter million words.
The German word used, "Entwicklung," occurs many more times, usually translated as "development."
"Christian" occurs 32 times. To be fair, most are references to the Christian Democratic Party.
"Revolution" occurs 117 times, almost ten times as often as "evolution."
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gasbanni said:
"One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night, and it struck me that I had been working on this [evolution] stuff for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That's quite a shock to learn that one can be so misled so long. Either there was something wrong with me or there was something wrong with evolutionary theory. Naturally, I know there is nothing wrong with me ....."

"[The] question is: Can you tell me anything you KNOW about Evolution? Any one thing? Any one thing that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of Evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time, and eventually one person said, "I do know one thing - it ought not to be taught in high school"."

Part of a keynote address given at the American Museum of Natural History by Dr Colin Patterson (Senior Palaeontologist, British Museum of Natural History, London) in 1981. Unpublished t
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Quote mining.
You can't even find credible evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Patterson_(biologist)
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/patterson.html
 
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