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jonbey said:
Hang on, I thought extreme left wing sympathisers were supposed to all be anti-Semitic and racist - that's was most the tabloids told us during Corbin's reign, and was repeated often here? How can they be that, but not want to shoot, sink or propel in an otherwise impossibly polite theoretical way any refugees that arrive from over the Channel on flimsy pleasure dinghies?

This is all very confusing!
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You're absolutely right, they're not each one is individual with their own mind and opinion not quite matching the next... hence it's idiotic to group any people to the same mindset. It's simpleton logic to refer as such.
 
Notch7 said:
Im neither enraged nor frustrated one iota, you are the one rattling your cage.

I've pointed out Farage is playing to his base prattling on about refugees -which is true.

So tell me -what is your solution?

If you don't want the refugees coming here, where should they go?



who is that?
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Solution is they're supposed to checkin to the first safe country from which they've fled.

Its like me breaking my leg in the UK but crawling all the way to Cyprus before i checkin to the hospital as i believe they will heal my leg the best and give me the best hospital bed. its bullshit
 
festive said:
Solution is they're supposed to checkin to the first safe country from which they've fled.

......its bullshit
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"Claim
Under the Geneva Convention refugees should seek refuge in the first safe country they come to.​

Conclusion
Incorrect. The UN Refugee Convention does not make this requirement of refugees, and UK case law supports this interpretation. Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries."
https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/​
 
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Bobby Dazzler said:
"Claim
Under the Geneva Convention refugees should seek refuge in the first safe country they come to.​

Conclusion
Incorrect. The UN Refugee Convention does not make this requirement of refugees, and UK case law supports this interpretation. Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries."
https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/​
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From the same link:

Although France is generally considered a “safe” potential country for asylum seekers, there is legal precedent to suggest France could be considered a risk to an asylum seeker if the authorities fail to offer them the treatment they are entitled to.

Refugees seeking refuge in the first safe country they come to doesn't appear in any conventions but was something 'arrived at' by G20 leaders at a meeting back in Theresa Mays day, probably to contain the 'problem' in Southern Europe.

Sounds like it's just a 'casual agreement' between leaders, nothing binding.
 
Notch7 said:
yes its bullshit that some people will walk many hundreds of miles and take huge risks to escape from war.

Im sure you think its far more sensible if they stay put and die.
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Don't be so dramatic Notch, there are millions of people on the move, what proportion of those are fleeing war?, neither of us know the answer.
 
Notch7 said:
yes its bullshit that some people will walk many hundreds of miles and take huge risks to escape from war.

Im sure you think its far more sensible if they stay put and die.
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What happened to the honest unbiased Notch? Ill repeat you've so lost the plot on here you are completely beyond reasonable reason.

Look at the map check it yourself look for a war torn country and then check how far it is from the UK it's not many hundreds it's THOUSANDS and i counted about 8 eu member countries at least before we reach UK.
They could easily cross from Iran or Syria and find a safe country much closer, i know they're not bound by law but still, we are already overstretched here. That's fine when we finally become another religious state, we can push into Spanish or Portugese holiday towns and take them over n turn them into little britains instead, marvelous.
 

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fillyboy said:
Don't be so dramatic Notch, there are millions of people on the move, what proportion of those are fleeing war?, neither of us know the answer.
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I'd guess that there's statistics available that'd give us a good guess.
festive said:
What happened to the honest unbiased Notch? Ill repeat you've so lost the plot on here you are completely beyond reasonable reason.

Look at the map check it yourself look for a war torn country and then check how far it is from the UK it's not many hundreds it's THOUSANDS and i counted about 8 eu member countries at least before we reach UK.
They could easily cross from Iran or Syria and find a safe country much closer, i know they're not bound by law but still, we are already overstretched here. That's fine when we finally become another religious state, we can push into Spanish or Portugese holiday towns and take them over n turn them into little britains instead, marvelous.
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Most Syrians probably are stopping in those countries. It'd be interesting to see if we're taking similar numbers of Asylum seekers (per million population) or less. My suspicion is less but I haven't checked for figures.

On religion, thankfully the UK is becoming less religious over time, despite having a state church headed by our Queen and having religious figures that hold seats in the house of lords. Roll on the removal of these medieval traditions I say.
 
fillyboy said:
House of Lords aside, I like a bit of tradition.
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I'm fine with it for ceremonies and the occasional LARP activities for old people (Trooping of the colours, opening of parliament etc.).

But tradition for the sake of it is silly. For example keeping on Church of England Bishops as members of the house of Lords or refusing to do maternity leave for MPs.
 
IT Minion said:
It'd be interesting to see if we're taking similar numbers of Asylum seekers (per million population) or less. My suspicion is less but I haven't checked for figures.
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For figures from 2015 (prior to Brexit vote which I suspect will have had some effect)
In terms of absolute numbers, we're about 4th in Europe, and 29th in World.
In terms of relative to existing population, we're about 13th in Europe and 59th in World.

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Figures from:
Any argument about whether they are refugees or 'migrants' is purely anecdotal and diversionary because no-one knows until they have been processed (and appeals have been heard).

Edit: Surprisingly, Syria have taken about 8 refugees per 1000 inhabitants, whereas UK has taken about 2 refugees for 1000 inhabitants. (figures for 2015 from above link)
 
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festive said:
Look at the map check it yourself look for a war torn country and then check how far it is from the UK it's not many hundreds it's THOUSANDS and i counted about 8 eu member countries at least before we reach UK.
They could easily cross from Iran or Syria and find a safe country much closer, i know they're not bound by law ...
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A question for festive:
suppose you were (just say) a criminal who was fleeing UK, because you thought you were being persecuted for your lifestyle choice. You could afford to go to another country of your choice, ignoring any international treaties, free movement agreements, etc., in fact you are probably not even aware of such legalities.
Would you flee to the nearest country, (where possible agreements, permeable borders, etc could have you repatriated, etc) or would you choose your destination carefully, based on a number of assumptions?
Having made your choice , would you persist in attempting to reach your destination of choice, overcoming any difficulties you may encounter en route?
 
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