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JohnD said:
There is also a Bank of England. Are you therefore a banker?
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I'm not sure it's transferable.
As UK has the Church of England as its defined religion, it is not a secular state.
The antonym of a secular state is a religious state, related or belonging to a religion. It does not mean that all of its citizens worship according to that religion. But they all must adhere to its 'religiously inspired laws'.

To try to draw a comparison, one would have to define the opposite of not having a national bank. There are a few countries without central banks, but that does not mean they do not use a currency. They probably use the currency of a neighbouring country.
 
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Since you mentioned the Church of England, it must be English laws.
 
JohnD said:
Since you mentioned the Church of England, it must be English laws.
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The obvious one is blasphemy.
There other more subtle laws, such as Sunday observance, etc.
Marriage ceremonies must be conducted in recognised religious buildings for it to be legally recognised as a marriage. To what extent that 'recognition of religious buildings' has been diversified, I'm not sure. But I suspect at one time it would have been Christian churches only.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
Sunday observance
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All my life, there have been parts of London where shops, markets, restaurants etc have been open on Sundays.

The Lords Day Observance Society does not have legislative powers.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
blasphemy.
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a very ineffective and confused law.
These laws go back hundreds of years and are irrelevant to life in England today.

You'll remember Mary Whitehouse in 1977 attempted to use it to censor a play she disliked (but had never seen), and although an old law still existed, it cannot be said to have had universal support.

Despite a conviction, the law was shown to be so outdated and nonsensical that it was subsequently repealed. Instead of, as Lord Scarman suggested, being altered.

Blasphemous libel ceased to be a common law offence in England and Wales with the passing of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008.

So perhaps this indicates England is no longer under the heel of the Anglican Church.

Incitement to religious hatred is now illegal, and not at all the same thing.
 
JohnD said:
That's not true.
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Sorry, I should have been more precise. You are correct C of E marriages do not need to take place in registered religious buildings. Nor do Jewish or Quaker marriages, but other religions must take place in religious buildings.


  • Church of England marriages must be carried out by a member of the clergy, who registers the marriage. The marriage must be carried out in the presence of two witnesses and in accordance with the rules of the Church of England.
  • Quaker and Jewish marriage ceremonies can be conducted according to religious rules and the official performing the religious marriage ceremony will register the marriage. There is no requirement for the marriage ceremony to take place in a registered building or in public.
  • Other religious marriages, such as Muslim, Sikh and Hindu marriages, must take place in a registered building.

 
JohnD said:
a very ineffective and confused law.

You'll remember Mary Whitehouse attempted to use it to censor a play she disliked (but had never seen).

Despite a conviction, the law was shown to be so outdated and nonsensical that it was subsequently repealed. Instead of, as Lord Scarman suggested, being altered.

Blasphemous libel ceased to be a common law offence in England and Wales with the passing of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008.

So perhaps this indicates England is no longer under the heel of the Anglican Church.
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But is still has a national church, the C of E. The law is/was still a religiously inspired law.

There are/were plenty of other examples, some have/may be repealed, but they were still religiously inspired.
 
JohnD said:
All my life, there have been parts of London where shops, markets, restaurants etc have been open on Sundays.

The Lords Day Observance Society does not have legislative powers.
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"The Sunday Observance Act 1780 (21 Geo 3 c 49) was an Act of the Parliament of Great Britain. Originally eight sections long, only sections 1 to 3 were still in force after the 1960s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Observance_Act_1780
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Repealed or not, they were still religiously inspired laws.
England is still not a secular nation.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
Sorry, I should have been more precise. You are correct C of E marriages do not need to take place in registered religious buildings. Nor do Jewish or Quaker marriages, but other religions must take place in religious buildings.
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Civil weddings are also recognised.

The Marriage Act of 1836 allowed for non-religious civil marriages to be held in register offices. These were set up in towns and cities across England and Wales.
 
JohnD said:
Civil weddings are also recognised.

The Marriage Act of 1836 allowed for non-religious civil marriages to be held in register offices. These were set up in towns and cities across England and Wales.
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You are correct, sorry I forgot to add that civil ceremonies are recognised.
The marriages that must take place in recognised buildings. can be held in other surroundings, but must be accompanied by a civil ceremony.

Going back to what initiated this exchange, non-practising Christians must adhere to religiously inspired laws, and they would have been required to adhere to those that have been repealed.
 
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