Farage, the PM we need?

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Blup

You're beginning to resemble the Witchfinder General.

Do you have anything to add to the original question of the thread or are you going to continue to make it your sole purpose to troll everything I write?

It is a technique of the hard/far right to call everyone to the left of them, left wing. It just doesn't work. Make your argument, don't hide behind fake ID.

 

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Oh it will be tanking allright - just a little more time.

Holed below the waterline long ago. Give Starmy a chance. If he can increase house building, get a proper single market deal with the EU, that will be a great result. The NHS might take several terms.

 

[Gone Skiing]

Going by your rule of thumb that would make Andrew Gold and Brendan O'Neill supporters of the far right. You know, Andrew Gold the Jewish podcaster and Brendan O'Neill formally of the Revolutionist Communism Party and Living Marxism.

I know little to nothing of them except they are both Jews.
I do know that Brendan o'Neill claims that the current Israel Hamas war started on t October last year. It didn't of course, it started long ago in 1948

It was a good stab at a theory but it doesn't work. Political positions are not diseases, you can't catch them just by looking at or talking about them. Guilt by association is not a real thing.

You're talking gibberish. There is no possible analogy between politics and diseases.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I don't know if Farage and Reform are 'exactly' what the UK needs. I don't see a better party though. In some ways I think they could be highly beneficial in other ways I am concerned. If they axe the unelected quangos and commissions I spoke about earlier upstream, this is a plus. Nobody should be telling the people what they can and can't do without being voted in. It's just another layer of bureaucracy and another way to enlarge the state unofficially.

What I am worried about is they may want to privatise the NHS. I just cannot get on board with that. I believe the NHS has got top heavy and needs a good prune and reform but I vehemently disagree with it going private.

I think Reform will be great at returning free speech to the country and I am hopeful they'll kickstart growth in the economy by reducing the size of the state, thus tax and encouraging entrepreneurs back to the UK and encouraging the ones still here.

I do believe Reform will likely be in power in 2029, either fully or as a coalition.

This falls into the 'be careful what you wish for' category in my opinion when it comes to Reform. I can imagine an increasing amount of people being attracted to them and Farage over the coming years because of immigration, however not necessarily giving much thought to Reform's strategy around things like the NHS.

Conversely, I also think 'the NHS' thing would be interesting to watch should Reform get into power. I suspect it would be one of those things they'd have to rein back on quite significantly once in power. Can't imagine many getting behind the idea of an ever more privatised NHS, no matter how the idea is spun.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The Reform Party are another wing of the establishment

Like most far-right parties, Reform claims to be anti-establishment, but it's led by a millionaire ex-banker, bankrolled by aristocrats, and pushes the agenda of landlords and fossil fuel giants. They’re merely another elite faction vying for control

People believe Reform are acting on the side of the people against the establishment…..but Reform is acting in the interests of the wealthy and would make the lives of ordinary working people worse off.

People like Sunshine32 are easily taken in the “bloated bureaucrats wasting our tax dollars” but the actual reality is people like Reform, right wing of Tory party and Trump…..all want to cut the size of govt so they can weaken regulations and controls in favour of wealthy business owners.

If you want to see what happens when private businesses act on behalf of shareholders and are not properly regulated look at the UKs water industry.

I feel sorry for Sunshine32 and those like him…..the uninformed are easy prey.

If anyone believes any major political party is on the side of the people (in the true sense) they are deluded.

I keep on thinking about Trump's use of the phrase 'draining the swamp' and I love the analogy when thinking of politics and politicians. They are ALL in the swamp to varying degrees. No point draining it, exercise in futility.

 

[Sunshine32]

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The remain campaign was fairly complacent. In my opinion two things tipped the leave vote, Obama interfering,

Did anyone vote leave because of what O'bama said?

and Dominic Cummings being ahead of the curve on the use of social media.

Illegally harvested personal data through face book in order to spread brexhit propaganda. Still waiting for the inquiry into russsian interference and funding.

 

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You've lost me.

The thread begins by questions being asked about Reform and Farage. There is no mention of 'left wing' in the initial question posed by the OP.

I've answered the question and given my opinions directly.

I am not answerable to you.

Its a thread not an exam question.

 

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Why does Richard Tice spend his time pushing climate change myths and misinformation……the answer as always is vested interest.

Nigel Farage’s Reform Party Has Accepted £2.3 Million from Fossil Fuel Interests, Climate Deniers, and Polluters Since 2019 Election​

The anti-net zero party has been bankrolled by oil and gas investors, aviation entrepreneurs, and those who reject climate science.

Reform has received £200,000 from First Corporate Consultants. The firm is owned by Terence Mordaunt, a director and former chair of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), the UK’s leading climate science denial group.

Nigel Farage’s Reform Party Has Accepted £2.3 Million from Fossil Fuel Interests, Climate Deniers, and Polluters Since 2019 Election

Reform UK has received more than £2.3 million from oil and gas interests, highly polluting industries, and climate science deniers since December 2019, amounting to 92 percent of the party’s donations. This week, Nigel Farage confirmed he would be returning as leader of Reform and standing in...

www.desmog.com

Since last election, 92 percent of Reform UK’s donations have come from oil and gas investors, high polluters, and climate science deniers​

Some what like pension funds than ?

Dare say all those taking there private pensions ?

Or paying into a private pension will do the right thing ??

Yeah right

 

[Sunshine32]

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[Gone Skiing]

OK, so what were you trying to imply then by 'looking at, and in reference to other parties, does undoubtedly locate your own political position, only to a lesser degree.

You've misunderstood what I said. I said that the center ground is nor some fixed position, like it would be in a geo-located sense. It moves witht he movement of the various political factions.
For example, if there were say three parties, one left, one center, and one to the right, if the right wing party moved further to the right, the center party would move to a degree to occupy that vacated political sphere. the left leaning party could also move a little to the right because they could centralise their polices a little.
It isn't an individual's perspective we are talking about, it's the broad church of the political parties.

You seemed to suggest you know my political positions because I gave an opinion on Reform. As I am being persistently accused of being far right I've assumed you also think that is what I am.

I made no such suggestion.

I'm saying that giving opinions on other political parties does not make one this or that. They are opinions only not gotchas.

Of course, I have just given my opinion on political party movements to the left or to the right. You'd be hard pressed to form an opinion on my political leanings from my comments in this thread.
However, when you support the policies of a party that does indeed suggest your political leanings.
Brexit was a cross party issue, mainly because many were either bamboozled, didn't really care, or were thrown a curved ball on immigration, economic benefits or fantasies of Britain as an imperial empire.

 

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Define left leaning

Noseall. John D.

Define right leaning....

I think Reform will follow what Elon and Vivek are doing in the USA with regards to bringing down the overbloated size of the federal government and it's spending. This will free up citizens to build and manufacture again without being hamstrung with bureacratic rules and regulations plus free up much needed capital.

In the UK we have the same problem; the state has got too big and the people now serve the state rather than the state serving the people. We have an unelected civil service running the country rather than the politicians who the people elect. We have so many quangos and commissions who none of us voted for but all of us pay for. I suspect Reform will look at axing those unelected quangos and commissions in the same way DOGE is embarking on.

Left leaning, my arse.

 

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democracy will decide the out come in due course ??

Let’s face it Corbyn stood for pm

Yes exactly