Farage, the PM we need?

[ReganAndCarter]

- notch is a protected poster.

Notch is special.









Special needs.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Because austerity was b0ll0x, and repeatedly shown not to achieve what it was purported to do.

And Starmer's government and policies will turn out to be just the same.

 

[JohnD]

I was completely out of touch.

Yes, you were out of touch. It was too close to call. Nearly 50/50.

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

 

[fillyboy]

Yes, you were out of touch. It was too close to call. Nearly 50/50.

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

'Nearly' isn't enough.

 

[JohnD]

'Nearly' isn't enough.

However, it is enough to make projections too close to call.

I remember some plumber saying that everyone he met was a leaver so he thought it would be a landslide.

 

[Gone Skiing]

Funnily enough, if you come by the (in)correct route, this doesn't seem to be a problem.

Ludicrous and incorrect urban myth.

 

[Gone Skiing]

OK as you have made yourself the arbiter of what it is to be left leaning and what it is not, define it. Define what it means to be left leaning. Then, we will have some actual substance aka a talking point.

The center in politics is not a fixed point, not like a geolocation. As one party moves, left or right the centre shifts subtly to allow for that right or left movement.
For example, when Reform was created , the Tories had to shift to the right slightly to accommodate the broad church of their party and prevent defections to Reform.
In that process, they vacated a little of the center ground, which allowed the Liberals to occupy a little of that center ground.
Although personally, I think the Labour party are to the right of the Liberals currently.
So your subsequent comment is incorrect:

Looking at how another political party operates doesn't make one left or right or green or SNP. I'm not going to magically turn into a Trump supporter simply for drawing parallels and speculating, that's just silly.

Looking at, and in reference to other parties, does undoubtedly locate your own political position.

 

[Gone Skiing]

What you have to remember is that the left on here are so far left that anything even glancing to the middle is considered a Right wing racist who loves Farage and trump - reads the daily mail and loves GB news, voted for brexit, is anti vax and a climate change denier. -- at least.

For any person who wants to use 'right' or 'left' as an abusive insult, their political position only dictates what word to use.
For instance far right wingers will go as far as seeking out opposing views to silence them, e.g Nazism and Fascism.
Far left wingers (if you consider Communism to be far left) will do exactly the same.

 

[Gone Skiing]

I remember when we all voted to remain or leave the EU and I voted to remain. When the results came in that the country voted in favour of leaving I was indignant with shock and then rage. I couldn't believe how this could have happened. Remaining seemed like a done deal according to the BBC and Channel 4 which I and the majority of remainers were getting our news from. I didn't understand because I was completely out of touch. I lived in my liberal leftie bubble and thought everybody thought like me because to be fair all my circle did but boy, how wrong was I.

This thread is giving me those same vibes.

Brexit wasn't a left or right policy. It was a campaign motivated by xenophobic attitudes, even bloated opinions of Britain's imperialism but argued with lies and false data, exploiting people's fears of immigration, etc.