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Vinty said:
Using DNA to trace deep ancestry is deeply flawed.
Astrology would be more reliable.
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You must be away with the fairies again.
"Astrology has not demonstrated its effectiveness in controlled studies and has no scientific validity, and is thus regarded as pseudoscience."
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Astrology and science - Wikipedia

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"Studies have shown that DNA evidence is 99% accurate, making it one of the most foolproof pieces of evidence you can possibly use in court."
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How Accurate Is DNA Evidence? | Shevin Law Group

DNA evidence is frequently used in criminal trials in California. This type of evidence can be collected from blood, bodily fluids, skin cells, hair, or anything else that was left at the crime scene.
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There is a recognised and accepted problem with identifying sufficient samples of French DNA to make accurate lineage analyses due to the current French legal restraints of applying for and providing random samples of DNA for "private interest".
But there is no restriction on applying for, sending and receiving DNA samples and results from abroad for that "private interest".
It just currently makes identifying French DNA in lineage enquiries less accurate than other nationalities due to the fewer available results for comparisons.
 
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Vinty said:
The Ancestry. Com industry generates billions a year, people who pay money to have their DNA analysed don't realise that some of these companies sell the results to research companies.
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Any proof of your allegation. Or is this another of your wild fantastical imaginings?

It is often accepted that anonymised personal results are sold, not just for DNA. The accent being on anonymised and accepted by the customer.

"As the trend spread, so too have concerns about privacy issues. Most of the companies have huge terms and conditions pages that allow companies to sell your DNA to third parties for research, or publish your genetic make-up for others to see. But as Blaine Bettinger, an intellectual property attorney in Syracuse, points out, they only have as much power as you choose to give them."


"We share your Genetic Information with research partners only when you provide us with your express consent to do so through our Informed Consent to Research. Unless you agree to the Informed Consent to Research, your data will not be shared with these researchers."

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Vinty said:
Using DNA to trace deep ancestry is deeply flawed.
Astrology would be more reliable.
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There are of course exceptions to that.

Íslendingabók

"As of February 2020, the database contains information on 904,000 individuals, an estimated half of the total population of Iceland since the settlement of the island. Coverage amongst Icelanders born in the 20th and 21st centuries is 100% and the database is estimated to contain 95% of individuals born since 1700. Each individual’s record contains information on parents, siblings, mates and children along with birthdates, death dates and places of birth and death. Connections toward parents have been 95.5% filled for those born in the 20th century. A study on mitochondria mutation, using Íslendingabók suggested the maternal lineages of the database to be 99.3% accurate and in a study on distribution of descendants, rate of false paternities is claimed to be 1.49% per generation, including laboratory handling errors.

"Access to the Íslendingabók website is limited to individuals with Icelandic national identity number, kennitala. Each user can view information on his or her extended family, which by definition are all ancestors of the user along with descendants of the user’s great-grandparents. Additionally, every user can view information on all individuals born prior to the year 1700. Users have the ability to trace their relation to any individual the database contains. Each user can view information on his or her extended family, which by definition are all ancestors of the user along with descendants of the user’s great-grandparents. Additionally, every user can view information on all individuals born prior to the year 1700. Users have the ability to trace their relation to any individual the database contains"

The database is truly fascinating and since January 2003 Íslendingabók has been publicly available on the web to all Icelanders, free of charge.

And due to my partner although not being Icelandic but having an Icelandic relative in the past and having both worked there means we both have a kennitala...

But your point about a company making money selling information (in this case in an anonymous form) is valid...

However Decode has been instrumental in a lot of medical breakthroughs, so it's a double edged sword!
 
Roy Bloom said:
Any proof of your allegation. Or is this another of your wild fantastical imaginings?

It is often accepted that anonymised personal results are sold, not just for DNA. The accent being on anonymised and accepted by the customer.

"As the trend spread, so too have concerns about privacy issues. Most of the companies have huge terms and conditions pages that allow companies to sell your DNA to third parties for research, or publish your genetic make-up for others to see. But as Blaine Bettinger, an intellectual property attorney in Syracuse, points out, they only have as much power as you choose to give them."


"We share your Genetic Information with research partners only when you provide us with your express consent to do so through our Informed Consent to Research. Unless you agree to the Informed Consent to Research, your data will not be shared with these researchers."
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My original point was that using DNA to trace deep ancestry is nonsense.
Your genetic ancestry is not the same as your genealogical ancestry.
Germany has only existed as a nation state since around 1871.
So how can 30% of people living in England be of German descent.
 
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Vinty said:
My original point was that using DNA to trace deep ancestry is nonsense.
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Yeah, but the thread was about the DNA of a population, not individuals.

Vinty said:
Your genetic ancestry is not the same as your genealogical ancestry.
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Of course it's not. Genetic DNA studeis are about the population as a whole.
Geneology is about individuals and their named ancestors.
The thread is about Genetic DNA.

Vinty said:
Germany has only existed as a nation state since around 1871.
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Completely irrelevant in the context of this thread.

Vinty said:
So how can 30% of people living in England be of German descent.
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English is a Germanic language.
It's one of a group of languages. It's had Latin, French, Celtic influences, and probably others.
Germanic' (Gmc) is the group of languages including modern German, Dutch and English which developed from Proto- Germanic — which in itself developed from Proto-Indo-European (PIE).
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denso13 said:
Ancestors of modern day Germans.
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Are you sure?
Do you have a German grandfather.
If the average Brit is genetically 30% German, then on average, every Brit should have at least one 'modern' German grandparent.
 
Roy Bloom said:
Yeah, but the thread was about the DNA of a population, not individuals.


Of course it's not. Genetic DNA studeis are about the population as a whole.
Geneology is about individuals and their named ancestors.
The thread is about Genetic DNA.


Completely irrelevant in the context of this thread.


English is a Germanic language.
It's one of a group of languages. It's had Latin, French, Celtic influences, and probably others.

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What has language got to do with genetics?
 
Mottie said:
Had two this morning. Overnight oats to start followed by a toasted bagel topped with eggs, mushrooms and fried tomatoes direct from the plot of Mott when I came back from walking the dog. A very popular thread if I say so myself with over a thousand posts and fifty two thousand views. (y)
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Its good to know that most normal people have greater priorities than War, Famine, Ukraine, Global economics, the Dollar, the Euro, Putin, Biden, Trump, ect.ect.
A toasted Jewish doughnut with eggs and mushrooms with added fried tomatoes sounds exciting, i am going to try that out.
I find your culinary posts very reassuring and British.
 
Vinty said:
What has language got to do with genetics?
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Germanic languages existed well before your comment about when Germany was established. Germanic refers to pre-Roman times.
You claimed that Germany only existed since 1871.
That's nonsense.

Vinty said:
Germany has only existed as a nation state since around 1871.
So how can 30% of people living in England be of German descent.
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The first date is when Germany was recognized as a region, on February 2nd, 962 AD.
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When Did Germany Become a Country?

Germany as we know it today technically dates back to the year 962 AD. However, the country's origin is more complicated than that.
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Vinty said:
Do you have a German grandfather.
If the average Brit is genetically 30% German, then on average, every Brit should have at least one 'modern' German grandparent.
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You're getting confused between genetics and genealogy.
 
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