I mis-read that as "Fruit farmers have to pay minge wage".
If that was the case, where do I sign up?
Fruit and veg ‘will run out’ unless Britain charters planes to fly in farm workers from Europe
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I mis-read that as "Fruit farmers have to pay minge wage".
If that was the case, where do I sign up?
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Notch there is no next level of debate. Paying people public money not to work whilst there is work available for them is morally wrong and just plain stupid. Bringing people from overseas means that for every turnip, you are paying one person to pick it and another person not to pick it; plus the cost, financially and to the environment, of international travel. Plus the insult to those who choose to work for a living being forced by law to pay for those who choose not to work. Plus the social disruption caused by the influx of the foreigners to a town, city or village - whilst on the other side of that coin, the loss of those people from their own countries' towns, villages and cities.
Continue ad infinitum with your levels, but there is no need for them; there is no more to say. Marxist drivel does not count.
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oh really
so if there are unemployed people in say the North East and there are fruit picking jobs in Kent, you dont think there is a transport and accommodation issue?
also fruit picking is seasonal.
also some unemployed people have children to look after or vulnerable relatives -does the state pay to look after them whilst they are away working?
oversimplification
oversimplification
yes there is.
you are avoiding them because your argument falls apart as soon as the details are discussed
it has nothing to do with marxism, stop using tribalism to deflect from the real issues of unemployment which you refuse to discuss
you need to think beyond your knee jerk emotive response to unemployment and think deeper.
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oh really
so if there are unemployed people in say the North East and there are fruit picking jobs in Kent, you dont think there is a transport and accommodation issue?
also fruit picking is seasonal.
also some unemployed people have children to look after or vulnerable relatives -does the state pay to look after them whilst they are away working?
oversimplification
oversimplification
yes there is.
you are avoiding them because your argument falls apart as soon as the details are discussed
it has nothing to do with marxism, stop using tribalism to deflect from the real issues of unemployment which you refuse to discuss
you need to think beyond your knee jerk emotive response to unemployment and think deeper.
Are you saying the unemployed can't be used in part to help solve a problem?
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they already would be -if jobs are available in those areas, then job seekers will apply for them
the system already requires them to do that to get benefits.
unfortunately people like Andy11 think there are simplistic solutions, there are not.
the majority of people do want to work.
the minority that dont, arent worth employing
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Saw this somewhere else.
We have fit and healthy labour readily available in this country. They are well fed and looked after and owe a debt to society. They go by the name of “prisoners”.
We have fit and healthy labour readily available in this country. They are well fed and looked after and owe a debt to society. They go by the name of “prisoners”.
I bet many prisoners would welcome time out in the fresh air.
At least those that arent off their face with spice
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Bodd
I don't think Andy is saying it's the total solution.
Why would someone from Newcastle not travel to Kent to pick fruit. Those travel from Portugal and there is a good chance they have kids as well... I've met plenty from up North who travel to work in the building industry.
Yes, lots of people work away from home.
What is the problem?
Is it that the people of the UK discouraged Eastern Europeans from working away from home?
What is the problem?
Is it that the people of the UK discouraged Eastern Europeans from working away from home?
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Bodd
We can't confuse this with Brexit. All be it, it may give us a few answers for the future. The EU and the UK have nearly shut down. Movement of people should not be encouraged.
Just put a notice up. Out side the fields of fruit and veg
Saying all. Free help. Yer self
The fields would empty pretty quick
Government can pay farmer the going rate
Worked for a bloke who bought a new freezer
Nothing wrong with the old one so he stuck out the front of his house
Notice on it free freezer take it
Or words to the effect
2 weeks later still. There.
Stuck a notice on freezer. For sale 40 squid
And some one took it with in days
Saying all. Free help. Yer self
The fields would empty pretty quick
Government can pay farmer the going rate
Worked for a bloke who bought a new freezer
Nothing wrong with the old one so he stuck out the front of his house
Notice on it free freezer take it
Or words to the effect
2 weeks later still. There.
Stuck a notice on freezer. For sale 40 squid
And some one took it with in days
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I'm a conservative, thanks for asking! Although, you probably wouldn't recognise a conservative if you fell over one. Your idea of conservative is "The Conservative Party".
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So explain to me what you consider to be conservative. Your own words. Broad Policy ideas.
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"Transport and accommodation issues" can be overcome with a will. The people who come from overseas to work here often travel further distances then North Eastern England to Southern England. Does that simple matter not occur to you? What stops unemployed people from (e.g.) Northern England having the will to overcome "transport and accommodation issues"? The benefits system of course! As Norman Tebbit famously said of his dad, "he got on his bike to look for a job".
So what? Why might unemployed British people be averse to seasonal work where the rest of the world's unemployed wouldn't be? Guess what? It's the benefit system again.
Also some unemployed foreign people have children to look after or vulnerable relatives -does our state or their state have to pay to look after them whilst they are away working?
In a convoluted way Notch, I could make you out to be racist, because you are prioritising a cosseted status to British unemployed people whilst bringing in foreigners to do the heavy lifting. But I won't coz I'm not like that. "Racist" is a meaningless these days as "Right Wing".
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