I don't think VED does that in any meaningful sense, though? We've had it for many years and we still have the parking problems. All it does is hit the guy with no off-street parking but doesn't do many miles, disproportionately harder than the guy who does have off-street parking and does loads of miles.
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I don't think VED does that in any meaningful sense, though? We've had it for many years and we still have the parking problems. All it does is hit the guy with no off-street parking but doesn't do many miles, disproportionately harder than the guy who does have off-street parking and does loads of miles.
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How does it work for EVs?
We are trying to incentivise the uptake of EVs, are we not? We were trying to do the same with low CO2 diesels at the turn of the Millennium. I didn't see much push-back against the idea that low CO2 emitting cars paid less VED back then. Why should it be any different now?
As explained, when it comes to road maintenance, I have no problem with VED ringfenced for transport infrastructure, and I have no problem paying something towards it. There's no reason, in fact, why all three taxation systems can't co-exist - (Fuel Duty, VED and Road Pricing).
It's different now because low CO2 diesels still burned diesel, and so still "paid per mile" via fuel duty and VAT.
EVs don't pay anything per mile (with the way electricity is currently priced), and yet they do more damage to roads because they are heavier.
By all means incentivise EV take-up with lower VED. By all means incentivise lower ICE use and more efficient EV use via fuel pricing.
But the more we successfully incentivise EV take-up the sooner we will have to deal with the fact that the govt currently raises about £30B a year from fuel duties and VAT on them, plus more from VAT on the fuel itself.
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And less damage to the health of children.
That's pretty much what I'm saying, isn't it?
My EV car is lighter than a heavier ICE car.
That is a myth circulated by the likes of the Daily Mail and other rags. Usually accompanied by other stories no one believes such as car parks collapsing.
There are certainly EVs which are obese overweight road destroyers, but that isn't true of all EVs.
Plenty of petrol and diesel cars are also obese overweight road destroyers, but not all of them.
EVs have batteries in them which are heavy - but they don't have an engine, transmission, exhaust or a big tank full of fuel.
Hybrids of course have all of the above, so they are the real road busters.
Badly maintained ICE vehicles that leak oil, overfilled diesels that spill their fuel, and HGVs (with their 44 tonnes, and /or skidding tyres when turning) are not good for our road surfaces.
Imagine going back in time and telling Colin Chapman that one day Lotus would be making a car which weighed over 2½ tons.
He'd punch you in the face.
Anyway -
How Much Heavier Are Electric Vehicles? Here Are the Facts
We compare the top-selling battery-electric cars to vehicles with other powertrains in the same size category to see how much heavier the EVs are. The results surprised us.
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Maybe a bit less than 30% heavier, is what I think EVs are, like-for-like. Maybe 25%. Mine is easy to compare, because exactly the same vehicle is available as an EV and an ICE.Imagine going back in time and telling Colin Chapman that one day Lotus would be making a car which weighed over 2½ tons.
He'd punch you in the face.
Anyway -
How Much Heavier Are Electric Vehicles? Here Are the Facts
We compare the top-selling battery-electric cars to vehicles with other powertrains in the same size category to see how much heavier the EVs are. The results surprised us.
BMW M44i Gran Coupe kerb weight is 1900 kg. That's a petrol 4-door 4 series with 375 horsepower and 4 wheel drive that does 60 in about -and-a-bit seconds.
BMW i4 M50 Gran coupe kerb weight is 2290 That's the same car with an electric powertrain, over 500 horsepower and 4 wheel drive that does 60 in just under 4 seconds.
About a 20% increase in weight for the electric version.
That American article compared similar sized cars, but not similar performance.
So it is heavier.
And do you really need over 500hp and a 0-60 of <4s? I'm old enough to remember when the fastest, most exotic supercars in the world couldn't do that.
I'm sure it's fun, though, but I can't help wondering if weight could be saved and/or range extended if EV makers didn't chase such high performance. The entry-level eDrive35 will smoke a Miura 0-60.
And do you really need over 500hp and a 0-60 of <4s? I'm old enough to remember when the fastest, most exotic supercars in the world couldn't do that.
I'm sure it's fun, though, but I can't help wondering if weight could be saved and/or range extended if EV makers didn't chase such high performance. The entry-level eDrive35 will smoke a Miura 0-60.
Road surface damage around here is most noticeable at roundabouts, which bears out your weight & skidding tyres comment.
I drove these vehicles for a period of ten years back in the 'eighties when the GVW was 38 tonnes on 5 axles & can bear testament to the road damage they can cause by turning.
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