Good riddance tobacco!

We can write off the existing addicts.
Yes ... well .. with a remark like that I imagine if there was still public whipping in the streets you'd be there cheering along. :rolleyes:
With such strength of public feeling the goverment can not fail.

Next target? Only in Scotland mind, as yet .. (in line with mainland Europe) ... but is it the start of things to come when the next self-abusive habit is tackled. Early days but where will it all end.
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Don't be silly.

As I said, "they are people who are exercising their freedom to drive themselves into an early grave."

And as YOU said
So smoking stands a good chance of killing me. It's my decision. I know the risks. Something is going to kill me one day. Why should it bother anyone else whether I die of lung cancer or live to a ripe old age and fade away as a gaga little old biddy with senile dementia?

Why are you complaining that I have no interest in trying to save you? You'd only complain if I did.
 
You're missing the point.
As you helpfully quoted what I'd said earlier.
Yes ... I smoke. I know the risks. I agree with the NO smoking in public.
What I find shortsighted by the the more rabid anti-smoker is this idea that smoker's are the ONLY ones who drain the NHS and inflict self abuse and are some kind of social leper.

I'd be quite happy if I was left to smoke in my own home and pay my taxes ... without prejudice.
And then I won't moan about the binge drinker with a shot liver ... the druggie on methadone .. the obese gastric bands ops ... none of whom ever seem to come into the glare of the public eye for such villification.
 
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However it is to the advantage of the rest of us.

How is more smuggling and crime and less tax an advantage to me?
don't be silly, I said reducing the market

Right, and how are you going to reduce the market further except by means of control and high tax, which is already seeing a criminal black market, which involves gangs, worth several billion pounds.



(plain packaging) You have no objection to it, then.

Yes I do.

I do not think at this point (with hidden displays), plain packaging will have any affect, and I am concerned it will make it look even cooler among the kids.

And if manufacturers can no longer advertise even by packaging, then all that is left to market on is price.

Which means cheaper fags.

How does that help?

And then of course if you counter that with more tax = more smuggling.


I believe we have reached the point were our control measures are already causing black markets which fund criminal gangs, and further measures risk increasing this.

The road to hell etc.
 
Mandatory 10 years in the nick for smuggling or re-selling dodgy gear will stop a few.
 
Mandatory 10 years in the nick for smuggling or re-selling dodgy gear will stop a few.
Bloody hell Joe, not even drug dealers get ten years inside, for dealing/smuggling (at least not in this country) ;) ;)
 
However it is to the advantage of the rest of us.

How is more smuggling and crime and less tax an advantage to me?
don't be silly, I said reducing the market

Right, and how are you going to reduce the market further except by means of control and high tax, which is already seeing a criminal black market, which involves gangs, worth several billion pounds.

:rolleyes: If you weren't too blinkered, you would have observed that I have said:
- give up trying to reform the hardened addicts
- try to reduce the number of children who become new addicts

The tobacco companies have to work very hard to get enough youngsters addicted to replenish the customer base to replace the old addicts who condemn themselves to an early grave.

Advertising, marketing, sponsorship, glossy packaging are all intended to attract new customers. So these are the things that are being attacked.

Puffing away in workplaces, restaurants and pubs encourages the idea of smoking as a pleasant leisure occupation. Banning it was opposed by the tobacco trade, which is always a good sign that it is likely to reduce usage.

I suppose we could employ a few wizened, wheezing, coughing smokers to sit outside tobacconists and trendy clubs, though youngsters aren't likely to make the connection. As an experienced smoker, I presume you've seen friends and relatives shrivel away into a narrow coffin as a result of their habit. I certainly have.
 
1. once you have hidden displays, what is the point of plain packaging.
Are you really that naive.

Do you think that impressionable children are only exposed to cigarette packets when they are in shop displays??!! Jeepers man, mom and dad leave fag packets lying around all the time. What better to explore than the contents of a brightly coloured box.

Do you know what a child is Aron Surly?

Do you have children yourself?

Would you like them to become smokers?
 
Us smokers know that tobacco is bad for us, but remember, we are addicts, plus, it's still legal to buy cigarettes, So my point remains the same. It's a freedom of choice issue, and at the risk of repeating myself, where will all of these freedoms end when government and so called health professionals start dictating what we can and can't do with our lives/money ?

Just think on a bit. It won't be long before the pubs are all closed when they deem alcohol just as bad. Next in line will be fatty foods, foods with salt in them. Crisps and snacks will be banned, because they encourage obesity. Fancy a nice bacon cob in the morning? No chance, the vegans will be shoving quorn and tofu down out throats (strange how they make a vegetable product look and taste like meat though)

Advertising, marketing, sponsorship, glossy packaging are all intended to attract new customers. So these are the things that are being attacked
Sadly, these things have almost gone. The only thing they have left now is a ban. See above for what's next in line.
 
Well said joinerjohn.
I always go woffling on instead. You put it very concisely.

Years back they allowed kiddies into pubs, which to me is an adult environment anyway, so I'd stopped going the pub years before the smoking ban.
The goverment have picked on smokers first ... that's all.
 
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