Good riddance tobacco!

JohnD said:
I'm just interested in reducing the number of children who are enticed into becoming the addicts of the future. You don't seem to think that's wrong.
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All depends what you term "Children" As I have pointed out it's legal to possess cigarettes/ tobacco at the age of sixteen. People can get married at sixteen. :!:
It's legal to buy tobacco products from the age of eighteen. People can vote at the age of eighteen. :!:
So who exactly are these "Children" you keep harping on about? Are these the ones smoking behind the bike sheds at breaktime, in schools up and down the country? The very same "Children" the teachers can't control :!:
 
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I honestly was 5yrs. mother and father throwing cig ends in the hearth.Me swiftly swooping without their knowledge.
 
JohnD said:
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Your snide remark about freedom of choice is reprehensible. Run back and read my posts. I've repeatedly said that if you want to smoke yourself into an early grave, that's your choice.
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I think , you've actually made my point for me. ... It's all about freedom of choice, or rather those freedoms being taken away from us. Doesn't matter that the thread is about smoking. The thread could equally have been about alcohol, or Big Macs or Air Travel. The point is, do you want the government, dictating/legislating to you , how you should lead your life?
 
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JohnD said:
what age were you when you started smoking?
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I can honestly say I started at the age of eighteen. I can honestly say also, that I started drinking alcohol at the age of sixteen too. ;) ;)
 
JohnD said:
So what was the point of your snide remark

joinerjohn said:
...freedom of choice (something that seems completely alien to you )
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Mr D, nothing snide about the remark. Throughout my posts I have referenced the continual erosion of our freedoms, by past governments, under advice of professionals. If you fail to see that freedoms of choice in this country are being lost (almost every year). A point , you have either avoided, or failed to answer (so I must assume, you accept every government dictat that comes our way)

Anyway, I pack up smoking every night. :eek: :eek: :eek: (I just choose to start again in the morning)_ :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
libby lou lou said:
I honestly was 5yrs. mother and father throwing cig ends in the hearth.Me swiftly swooping without their knowledge.
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The problem is you grew up with them thinking it's okay to smoke if they are, understandly didn't know the risks, if your parents wasn't smokers, there's a good chance you wouldn't be.
 
joinerjohn said:
Us smokers know that tobacco is bad for us, but remember, we are addicts, plus, it's still legal to buy cigarettes, So my point remains the same. It's a freedom of choice issue, and at the risk of repeating myself, where will all of these freedoms end when government and so called health professionals start dictating what we can and can't do with our lives/money ?
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Fair enough, if it's wasn't legal, would you give it up?

I know it's hard but isn't your health important enough for you to give it up?

I have a very close friend and his wife who's are chain smokers, spending on average £180 per week and was told by the hospital, the wife won't have any tests done but the husband results is not good.

Would a wake up call from the hospital encourage you to give up?

Just think on a bit. It won't be long before the pubs are all closed when they deem alcohol just as bad.
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Everything carries a risks factor, isn't smoking a very high on the lists?
 
JohnD said:
This is a thread about smoking

By all means go and start your own thread about illegal drugs.

Your attempt to distract attention from tobacco addiction is transparent and worthless.
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It's a fair point because you're now on about protecting kids from an unhealthy vice. Like smoking is the only one.
So I presume if you had a kid you'd feel okay if he/she was a crack head or a binge drinker as long as he didn't smoke. :rolleyes:
The point that seems to consistently escape you is that where does it end?
No smoking? No drinking? And ban sun beds as they cause skin cancer ?And what about mobile phone dangers? The jury is still out on that one as to whether they cause brain tumours.
If the goverment ploughed on removing all lifestyle risks no one will be able to do anything.
 
This is a thread about smoking

By all means go and start your own thread about drinking and sunbeds.

Your attempt to distract attention from tobacco addiction, just because you are sympathetic to it, is transparent and worthless.
 
JohnD said:
This is a thread about smoking

By all means go and start your own thread about drinking and sunbeds.

Your attempt to distract attention from tobacco addiction, just because you are sympathetic to it, is transparent and worthless.
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Sorry, but we don't have to discuss things on your terms, you don't own the discussion or have moral authority.

Discussing parallels is quite relevant, pointing out banning of other substances causes side effects is relevant when talking about banning tobacco (or pricing it and controlling it to the point it's better to buy on the black market).

Cannabis - ground up glass is sometimes mixed in with skunk and ketamine is often mixed in resin.

Herion and coke have been mixed in with rubbish like brick dust.

Extacy pills laced with rat poison*.

Hundreds of thousands dead in foreign drug wars, numerous UK criminal gangs involved in the production and distribution.

Now we are seeing more counterfeited tobacco in the UK as well as just smuggled baccy, with higher levels of chemicals and dodgy ingredients, distributed by Criminal gangs which can hire children.




And it's quite relevant to ask you to explain why it is OK to try and stop an adult doing one thing, but not another (or if you think it's OK for the government to stop you doing ANYTHING that they deem "bad for you").


You are quite free to rubbish all these points, and explain why they are wrong, or you can do a noseall and simply state "none of this is worth discussion and you are getting away from the point".

You don't own the discussion or have moral authority.




*The rat poison in E pills particularly amuses me, try putting rat poison in someone's coffee, and then telling the police "it was a coffee related death", yet no-one is holding any murder investigations about rat poison in E.
 
this is a thread about smoking

the old smokescreen to divert attention from the matter under discussion is a popular ploy used by people who don't want to talk about the matter in hand and want to divert attention to something else in order to get the original subject off the agenda.

So if you come onto a smoking thread, talk about smoking. You don't own the thread and you don't have the power to turn it into a thread about lawnmowers or sunbeds or any alternative topic, just because you don't like people talking about smoking.
 
JohnD said:
this is a thread about smoking

the old smokescreen to divert attention from the matter under discussion is a popular ploy used by people who don't want to talk about the matter in hand and want to divert attention to something else in order to get the original subject off the agenda.

So if you come onto a smoking thread, talk about smoking. You don't own the thread and you don't have the power to turn it into a thread about lawnmowers or sunbeds or any alternative topic, just because you don't like people talking about smoking.
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Sorry mate, but other people do think it's relevant, you don't get to decide how people can talk about things and what is or isn't relevant.

But then anti smokers are all about telling others what to do and how to do it.
 
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