Good riddance tobacco!
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Joe, I already answered that in another thread.
I told you to write things down if your memory is so poor, maybe you should stop taking E, I heard that effects your memory.
Now stop pestering me you druggie.
I told you to write things down if your memory is so poor, maybe you should stop taking E, I heard that effects your memory.
Now stop pestering me you druggie.
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You forget that advertising and sponsorship have already gone. As for packaging, what difference does it make nowadays when their all kept behind a screen in the tobacconists anyway?
The only thing that encourages young people to smoke, is probably peer pressure from people their own age.
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Good diatribe on both sides here, so let me put my slant on things.
As a part time smoker, I can see both parties arguements, but there can be flaws.
Of course smoking is possibly dangerous and the Goverment has taken steps to hide tobacco behind screens at retail outlets to discourage young people from becoming addicted. They should also erect screens behind the bacon counter, full fat milk counter, alchohol counter, any food with ****e loads of E number counters etc etc etc.
We can always claim stats for our own benefit - have a look at the obesity ratings for example
http://www.ic.nhs.uk/pubs/opad12 Do we now stop treating people because they are overweight and don't take advice? How much are they costing the Government/taxpayer?
How much is binge drinking or drink driving costing the NHS?
Let's have more advertising about obesity, drinking, immigrants having kids on us, gambling addiction etc etc.
We, at the moment, do not live in a Nanny state, but if I want a ciggy and a coffee made with milk, then I'll have one and no-one on here will tell me otherwise. Some people on here want to dictate the way others live their lives. Some people on here live their lives eating, drinking and excercising to the max. To them I say, good luck. I would never tell them how to live their lives and in retrospect, don't preach to me.
This is a free country and I'll live my life as I see fit.
As a part time smoker, I can see both parties arguements, but there can be flaws.
Of course smoking is possibly dangerous and the Goverment has taken steps to hide tobacco behind screens at retail outlets to discourage young people from becoming addicted. They should also erect screens behind the bacon counter, full fat milk counter, alchohol counter, any food with ****e loads of E number counters etc etc etc.
We can always claim stats for our own benefit - have a look at the obesity ratings for example
http://www.ic.nhs.uk/pubs/opad12 Do we now stop treating people because they are overweight and don't take advice? How much are they costing the Government/taxpayer?
How much is binge drinking or drink driving costing the NHS?
Let's have more advertising about obesity, drinking, immigrants having kids on us, gambling addiction etc etc.
We, at the moment, do not live in a Nanny state, but if I want a ciggy and a coffee made with milk, then I'll have one and no-one on here will tell me otherwise. Some people on here want to dictate the way others live their lives. Some people on here live their lives eating, drinking and excercising to the max. To them I say, good luck. I would never tell them how to live their lives and in retrospect, don't preach to me.
This is a free country and I'll live my life as I see fit.
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Gasman28 wrote
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Smoking kills 120 per year in house fires alone.
Would that be an acceptable number in the gas trade for co poisoning or would steps be necessary to lower the death rate?
Bring on the nanny state.
Is it?
Well you can't smoke in a pub for starters and you can't pull your trousers down in public.
.Smoking kills 120 per year in house fires alone.
Would that be an acceptable number in the gas trade for co poisoning or would steps be necessary to lower the death rate?
Bring on the nanny state.
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Non smoking in pubs / restaurants is a good thing and I'm all in favour of that. Pulling my trousers down in public is another matterGasman28 wrote
Is it?
Yes it is - Unlike certain countries that I could name
Well you can't smoke in a pub for starters and you can't pull your trousers down in public.
It's more or less in the newspapers everyday and on TV, it's not something the Government can fix but they will be working on it. If you look back over the years we are more healthier than before so must be doing something right. We all need to be educated from time to time, I'm pleased I'm not a smoker but the reason maybe because of my parents didn't smoke and my mother being strict have done me a favour and being in the right crowd. I have a friend and their 11 yrs old daughter kept nagging her mother to give up smoking because of her school education about smoking and drugs, sadly the daughter is now smoking. It's very difficult to teach a child about smoking/drugs when their parents are doing it. I have noticed nobody answered my questions on page 17 and it's not a dig at the smokers and if I can help one smokers to give it up then great but I wouldn't be harsh about it as it's their choice.
At the moment I think the smoking is their priory no 1 but they are trying to do something about the other issues for an example there's avertising about drinking including units on the wine bottles etc and calories on the food labels.
Like everything else in life,they can try but they are not stopping you
I'm now very healthy according to my doctor, I go to gym, eat healthier, not a heavy drinker anymore, I wouldn't have bothered otherwise so maybe the Government warnings can be a good thing wether we like it or not!
Just supposing you were 'the govt'. And you had all the facts before you about the effects of being obese, smoking, drinking too much, playing extreme sports. Wouldn't you wanna warn the people ?
Wouldn't you think......We need to make these people aware of what they are doing to themselves
Look at this person here...doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, isn't obese, doesn't play extreme sports. He's gonna cost the NHS on average £10 a year Cos he never needs hospital. He only sees his doc once every 3 years.
Look at this person here...drinks more than the govt guidelines, smokes 30 a day, eats a lot at macdonalds. He cost a few hundred pounds a year. More when he's past his 20's. Too many of these guys means a lot of burden for the others.
Then this person here plays rugby. And he loves to snowboard 3 times a year. He's broken his ankle twice. Dislocated his shoulder. And had a lot of treatment on his knees. His cruciate ligaments. Lot of ongoing cost with this guy.
We have a responsibility to look after ourselves. Is it right to shove another triple stack big mac straight in your face and think F**k it. I pay my taxes.
Is it right to wrecklessly throw yourself down a snowy mountain in austria on two skinny planks. Then come home broken and busted to get patched up ? Is it right to play Rugby and get so injured then have to use up resources. Have time off work and get sick pay ?
A lot of people in this country are selfish. Very selfish. F**k you selfish.
They cost a lot a lot of money.
So govt is right to try and advise. To bring attention to. And to try and think of strategies that lighten this ever growing burden.
I wonder if we'll ever get less selfish. Or if we are on a ever narrowing one way street here.
Why do people so refuse to be responsible ? Why is that allowed to be ?
Why do we allow even encourage selfishness ?
How do you measure the cost of the drunk driver (with no licence) skidding off the road and crashing into a bus stop killing 4 people ?
The idiots on their mobiles. Looking down txing while they're driving ?
Wanting to stop this behaviour does not constitute a nanny state, for me.
People that call it that are encouraging it. Whislt claiming it is in our interest.
Wouldn't you think......We need to make these people aware of what they are doing to themselves
Look at this person here...doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, isn't obese, doesn't play extreme sports. He's gonna cost the NHS on average £10 a year Cos he never needs hospital. He only sees his doc once every 3 years.
Look at this person here...drinks more than the govt guidelines, smokes 30 a day, eats a lot at macdonalds. He cost a few hundred pounds a year. More when he's past his 20's. Too many of these guys means a lot of burden for the others.
Then this person here plays rugby. And he loves to snowboard 3 times a year. He's broken his ankle twice. Dislocated his shoulder. And had a lot of treatment on his knees. His cruciate ligaments. Lot of ongoing cost with this guy.
We have a responsibility to look after ourselves. Is it right to shove another triple stack big mac straight in your face and think F**k it. I pay my taxes.
Is it right to wrecklessly throw yourself down a snowy mountain in austria on two skinny planks. Then come home broken and busted to get patched up ? Is it right to play Rugby and get so injured then have to use up resources. Have time off work and get sick pay ?
A lot of people in this country are selfish. Very selfish. F**k you selfish.
They cost a lot a lot of money.
So govt is right to try and advise. To bring attention to. And to try and think of strategies that lighten this ever growing burden.
I wonder if we'll ever get less selfish. Or if we are on a ever narrowing one way street here.
Why do people so refuse to be responsible ? Why is that allowed to be ?
Why do we allow even encourage selfishness ?
How do you measure the cost of the drunk driver (with no licence) skidding off the road and crashing into a bus stop killing 4 people ?
The idiots on their mobiles. Looking down txing while they're driving ?
Wanting to stop this behaviour does not constitute a nanny state, for me.
People that call it that are encouraging it. Whislt claiming it is in our interest.
What's wrong with phasing out tobacco it has no useful purpose?
We need a balanced diet so ALL foods can be consumed for one reason or another, whether that be to bulk up or slim down.
Drugs are needed for medicine.
Alcohol is also useful.
Tobacco has no use. It kills people. It stinks. It is a revolting habit. It costs taxpayers.
What's wrong with phasing out tobacco?
Are there any smokers out there who actually WANT to smoke?
Any takers......?
We need a balanced diet so ALL foods can be consumed for one reason or another, whether that be to bulk up or slim down.
Drugs are needed for medicine.
Alcohol is also useful.
Tobacco has no use. It kills people. It stinks. It is a revolting habit. It costs taxpayers.
What's wrong with phasing out tobacco?
Are there any smokers out there who actually WANT to smoke?
Any takers......?
"The NHS has been accused of trying to save money by blocking access to surgery for smokers and obese patients as new figures show how they are routinely being denied treatments. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...d-smokers-denied-treatment-to-save-money.html
The problem is that when the proles don't do as they are advised to, they are then told to by laws.
Who is this person that doesn't age?
Why do people insist on this, when figures clearly show healthy people end up being the biggest burden in state costs over their life with healthcare and pensions.
Oh, my bad, I thought you wanted to discuss this, I will leave you to just be a discriminatory jerk.
Still trying to get people to respond to you in your narrowly framed argument?
I get the feeling you are not a troll, yet I am bemused as to why you bother posting in a discussion thread, but refuse to discuss anything anyone says.
Why don't you go and actually read that document I posted (you know, the 64 page one you claimed to have read in a few minutes).
The costs presented by ash are costs to society not state(taxpayers), it even say's so on the introductory page of ash's own report!
A large proportion of the costs are "lost productivity", that's costs to THE SMOKER, and the EMPLOYER (2 billion in fag breaks for example
).
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Without wishing to trawl through all the linked documents on here, has anyone actually found the total cost to the NHS and to each and every one of us through increased prices (caused by time lost for manhours spent having a ciggie break and being off sick for smoking related disorders), and higher insurance premiums to cover smoke-related fires etc etc etc?
If this could be calculated, then it would seem a simple enough to add these costs onto a packet of cigarettes. Thus if someone wishes to partake in this activity, then they should be happy to pay the price for it.
Similar arrangements could be made for other activities, such as drinking alcohol.
If this could be calculated, then it would seem a simple enough to add these costs onto a packet of cigarettes. Thus if someone wishes to partake in this activity, then they should be happy to pay the price for it.
Similar arrangements could be made for other activities, such as drinking alcohol.
Yes, but fags are addictive and impressionable people want to do what their parents, uncles, big brothers do. Tobacco companies are pushing a drug and are happy to do so.
Tobacco has no useful propose so why not phase it out altogether?
2.7 billion
10 billion raised in tobacco tax.
Well, firstly, go **** yourself as people are not slaves or economic units.
Secondly, yes, these figures are presented, ciggie breaks are estimated at about 2.5 billion, I have yet to see a cost associated to workplace chatting, coffee breaks, sandwich breaks, etc.
Sick time is estimated at a further few billion, but that is also a cost to the smoker.
I do hope you don't play any sports, sports could lead to injury, which affects your work and the price of goods, and costs money to the NHS. I heard that flip-flops even cause a few million in NHS costs due to them causing accidents, better not wear those, and I certainly hope you don't drive, you selfish polluter, causing a few billion in asthma treatment to the NHS.
IIRC about about a 1/4 or a third of all fires caused by "handling hot goods" is fags, the next biggest contribute about 15% or something is ovens.
Why are you proposing taxes on ovens, why are you trying to tax poor people trying to feed themselves?
You are correct.
We should immediately be taxing
Sports goods.
hand Tools
Flip flops
Garden tools
Ovens
Cars (again)
etc............
Or does your logic only apply to goods you don't like, na, you couldn't possibly be that hypocritical?
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Oh no you didn't. Answer it again so we can all see it. (he won't).
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