Good riddance tobacco!
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Here are a few surpises for any pro-smokers with their heads in the sand
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12685236
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Smoking-The-Facts.htm
http://www.uknscc.org/2005_UKNSCC/speakers/seyed_kavari.html
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/YoungPeople/HealthAndRelationships/ConcernedAbout/DG_10030631
http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_108.pdf
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_10037942
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/can...ng/smoking/lung-cancer-and-smoking-statistics
and a rare bit of good news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11001599
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/can...moking/lung-cancer-and-smoking-statistics#age
(sadly the lower proportion of over-60's is because many of them have died young)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12685236
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Smoking-The-Facts.htm
http://www.uknscc.org/2005_UKNSCC/speakers/seyed_kavari.html
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/YoungPeople/HealthAndRelationships/ConcernedAbout/DG_10030631
http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_108.pdf
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_10037942
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/can...ng/smoking/lung-cancer-and-smoking-statistics
and a rare bit of good news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11001599
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/can...moking/lung-cancer-and-smoking-statistics#age
(sadly the lower proportion of over-60's is because many of them have died young)
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A smoker's life is not a happy one.
Some initial facts and figures
About 100,000 people in the UK die each year due to smoking. Smoking-related deaths are mainly due to cancers, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and heart disease.
About half of all smokers die from smoking-related diseases. If you are a long-term smoker, on average, your life expectancy is about 10 years less than a non-smoker. Put another way, in the UK about 8 in 10 non-smokers live past the age of 70, but only about half of long-term smokers live past 70. The younger you are when you start smoking, the more likely you are to smoke for longer and to die early from smoking.
Many smoking-related deaths are not quick deaths. For example, if you develop COPD you can expect several years of illness and distressing symptoms before you die.
Some initial facts and figures
About 100,000 people in the UK die each year due to smoking. Smoking-related deaths are mainly due to cancers, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and heart disease.
About half of all smokers die from smoking-related diseases. If you are a long-term smoker, on average, your life expectancy is about 10 years less than a non-smoker. Put another way, in the UK about 8 in 10 non-smokers live past the age of 70, but only about half of long-term smokers live past 70. The younger you are when you start smoking, the more likely you are to smoke for longer and to die early from smoking.
Many smoking-related deaths are not quick deaths. For example, if you develop COPD you can expect several years of illness and distressing symptoms before you die.
I would be more surprised if the majority didn't start in school, yet I am still against further restrictions, because they are not about helping "children", and they may do more harm than help.
I would rather risk a few "children" smoking, than a few less getting involved in smuggling gangs, or smoking much more dangerous counterfeit tobacco.
And then there is the whole line of argument "for the childreeeeen", is there anything that can't be justified, any control measure, if it's for the children, pah.
Why bother asking a question when you refuse to discuss anyone's answer, if they don't discuss it within in your narrow framework, or do you think your "clever" attempt to try funnel us into your pre-determined answer has gone unnoticed.
If all you want is people to agree with you, go talk to a mirror.
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Are you claiming that I have advocated restrictions? Or are you just talking rubbish again.
Are you claiming that I have said tobacco sales should be illegal? Or are you just talking rubbish again,
It must be a sad life for you, feeling that you are being persecuted as a smoker, and making up these ideas that I am trying to prevent you smoking yourself into an early grave, should you so wish.
I am simply trying to prevent more children becoming addicted in their formative years.
I have yet to see you come up with any reason for objecting to what I am actually saying (rather than what you are pretending)
Or are you talking rubbish again.
J
joinerjohn
Perhaps it might be a good idea to put the age limit up for possession of tobacco to 18. That way, they are above the age of responsibility and are surely adults?
Perhaps our local friendly policemen on the beat could confiscate tobacco off anyone younger than that. I have yet to see a policeman on the beat stop youngsters with a cigarette in their mouth and confiscate it, although I have seen them confiscate alcohol from youngsters and pour it down the drain.
Perhaps our local friendly policemen on the beat could confiscate tobacco off anyone younger than that. I have yet to see a policeman on the beat stop youngsters with a cigarette in their mouth and confiscate it, although I have seen them confiscate alcohol from youngsters and pour it down the drain.
an interestin sugg, jj, I see you're in favour of taking a strong line.
However it's my opinion that identifying the factors that encourage children to take up the addiction, and attacking those factors, is better.
For example advertising, sports sponsorship, glossy packaging.
However it's my opinion that identifying the factors that encourage children to take up the addiction, and attacking those factors, is better.
For example advertising, sports sponsorship, glossy packaging.
Well yea, you commented on forcing of plain packaging, that is a restriction, familiarise yourself with your own arguments please. And others in this thread are advocating further restrictions, not all my replies are aimed directly at you, sorry but you are not the centre of my universe.
It's not really clear what it is you do want on top of existing legislation other than plain packaging, apart from a nebulous "stop them recruiting children" slogan (most of the stuff you list is already illegal). Somehow, if you were put in charge and did everything you wanted (whatever that is), are you telling me you wouldn't make it illegal if all your other steps didn't work, hmmm, I don't buy it, because like all the other anti's here, you refuse to comment on the effect banning will have on smuggling, criminal activity and poisoned narcotics.
I am not a smoker, as has been said. And I moderately drink, eat healthily, and exercise. Frankly I suspect I am healthier than 99% of the people here, and will probably outlive you all.
But I can see which way the wind is blowing, this anti tobacco stuff has serious mission creep, like refusing to treat smokers for non-smoking related illness or injury, that's not about helping smokers or about them costing, that's not about helping children, it's just arsholery righteousness, the same as when people were poisoned (WHICH IS BLOODY MURDER) by the US government during prohibition, and before you say "well that was then and there", only a few years ago UK ministers proposed deliberately contaminating shipments of drugs to cause bad reactions in the hope it would stop users, EXACTLY the same mentality.
And the same tactics are starting to be used for drink and unhealthy food.
I don't want to see a 2 tier health service where people are unfairly discriminated against, because it will come to bite me on the ass too, and I don't want to see everything good taxed (by the same government that gets subsidised food and drink)
joinerjohn said:
I would agree to that but on the condition that you cannot join the army until 18, have sex, get married, live on your own.
You should either be a child by law or an adult.
With all due respect some of the anti-smoking replies here are starting to sound repetitive, naive or downright ridiculous.
It'd be hilarious if I was reading this thread for entertaiment value ... instead of serious discussion.
It'd be hilarious if I was reading this thread for entertaiment value ... instead of serious discussion.
wheras the pro-smoking posters are arguing with things people haven't said, and bringing in weird and nonsensical ideas like the Hitler one.
for example
for example
I'm a quick learner and was only trying to compete with scenarios of gangland warfare. 
I thought you'd approve of a well known famous face championing your cause.
and besides ... taken from Joe90's extensive list of links ...
Overall, tobacco smoking is estimated to be responsible for more than a quarter of cancer deaths in the UK,
So what's flamin responsible for the other three-quarters! Rout it out and ban it!
I thought you'd approve of a well known famous face championing your cause.and besides ... taken from Joe90's extensive list of links ...
Overall, tobacco smoking is estimated to be responsible for more than a quarter of cancer deaths in the UK,
So what's flamin responsible for the other three-quarters! Rout it out and ban it!
S
Sombrero
I strongly disagree that "advertising, sports sponsorship, glossy packaging" haev any baring on a child strating smoking....
its mostly about soical standings... and the kind of famly you are from. and therefore the kind of personalty they are.
And then theres a lair on top of that which is older teans who eithre rebel or loose the plot.
In my opinon their arnt any adverts any more, and sports stars dont advertize cigs....
Hey I say JohnD that's a little cheeky editing and lengthening your post ages after I've replied.
But congratulations I couldn't have collected together a better sample of quotes.
Is there going to be a poll on the best one?
I think it's a tie between
joinerjohn
...freedom of choice (something that seems completely alien to you )
Aron Searle's
anti smokers are all about telling others what to do and how to do it.
But congratulations I couldn't have collected together a better sample of quotes.
Is there going to be a poll on the best one?
I think it's a tie between
joinerjohn
...freedom of choice (something that seems completely alien to you )
Aron Searle's
anti smokers are all about telling others what to do and how to do it.
Really?
See, I pointed out you did in fact ask for more restrictions and others here have made it clear they want it banned, and you constantly selectively post small parts of my replies, ignoring 90% of what I type.
Please do carry on, I enjoy looking like I am winning the argument.
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And as to the ole Hitler line, well I didn't post it, but it was Hitler that said people have a responsibility to not poison themselves for their country, which may not quite be your attitude, but is certainly some peoples.
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