Good riddance tobacco!

[killerheels]

Okay JohnD ... just incase I've been reading your posts incorrectly.

You say it's about discouraging kids and not ordering and controlling.

You say you say no ban.
I take it then that you're happy with the measures the goverment have so far introduced?
Though if 'hidden' ciggie counters and plain packaging is NOT controlling I don't know what is
But .. I'm assuming now you are then AGAINST any more restrictive measures whatsoever been introduced?
Am I right?

 

[AronSearle]

you agree that the OP did not propose a ban or criminalisation.

Quote from OP article

"to make it illegal to sell tobacco to anyone born after the year 2000."

you agree that I did not propose a ban or criminalisation.

No, but you did talk about plain packaging, I criticised it, still waiting for you to debate that.

.....tumbleweed......

 

[JohnD]

I have made it very clear that I discourage anything that might encourage people, especially children and the young, from being atttracted to tobacco products.

You may find it difficult to grasp, but colourful and stylish packaging is part of the efforts made to help market and sell a product, and to form an image in the mind of potential users. Maybe you think that glossy and brightly-coloured packaging, perhaps with embossed designs, is just done to use up surplus paint and ink. This is not so. It is done to sell product. I find it difficult to believe that you don't already know that.

 

[JohnD]

you agree that the OP did not propose a ban or criminalisation.

Quote from OP article
"to make it illegal to sell tobacco to anyone born after the year 2000."

Quote from OP article

"Campaigners say they are not pushing for a ban, but want to make cigarettes more expensive, less well advertised and too socially unacceptable for most people to continue smoking."

Proposals to reduce the desirability of tobacco by forcing the industry to sell it in unbranded packaging are being assessed by the Government.

The Department of Health says it has an "open mind" about the idea, which is fiercely opposed by the tobacco industry.

UK campaigners have been spurred on by initiatives elsewhere, including attempts in Australia to make it illegal to sell tobacco to anyone born after the year 2000.

Very dishonest of you to use selective quoting to give the false impression that this was part of the UK proposal

 

[killerheels]

Cooee! Are you answering my earlier question as well as Aron, JohnD?

I gather from you last few posts that what you call discouraging means you ARE actually fully in favour of measures to control and limit.
But only smokers.
Thanks for clearing that up.

As I said previously somewhere in this massively long thread ... you lost all credibility when you said ...

My lifestyle is none of your business and is irrelevant to the fact that smoking is unhealthy, and the industry only continues to survive by constantly recruiting new young addicts to be the smokers of the future.

You appear not to mind that.

I do.

But everyone else's nasty vices are overlooked?
Not really worth discussing it anymore with you as it's only smokers you are dead set against.

 

[JohnD]

But everyone else's nasty vices are overlooked?
Not really worth discussing it anymore with you as it's only smokers you are dead set against.

That is not true.

If you want to start another thread about some of your other vices I may, if I wish, comment on it.

No need to make this thread, which is about smoking, any more "massively long" or more rambling by mixing your other habits into it.

I gather from you last few posts that what you call discouraging means you ARE actually fully in favour of measures to control and limit.

I can't be responsible for your assumptions.

But you use the words "control" and "limit"

Hard to tell what you mean by that since I have already said a number of times that I have not advocated a ban, or suggested making smoking a criminal offence. I have already agreed with you that you are free to smoke yourself into an early grave if you so wish.

 

[masona]

John, I think you're wasting your time,

Smoking Can Lower Your IQ

Smoking diminish the speed and accuracy of your thinking and bring down your IQ.

Nicotine and the Brain

A large part of the reason that smoking makes us less intelligent is because of the way it effects the brain.

The drug produces changes in a person’s mood that are mainly controlled by effects in the brain. When a smoker inhales, tobacco smoke reaches the lungs and absorbs rapidly because of the huge surface area. From here the nicotine enters the blood. Nicotine concentration in the blood rises quickly and there is a rapid uptake of nicotine into the brain, as shown in animal stidies. This action actually causes a depletion of oxygen which may be why people who smoke have a lower intelligence factor.

The long and short of it is – if you smoke, do the smart thing and quit.

 

[AronSearle]

Very dishonest of you to use selective quoting to give the false impression that this was part of the UK proposal

Not really.

I think its either dishonest or nieve to think these people will stop once their current round of "proposals" become enforced. And ASH (one of the people linked to in the OP), has called for further bans.

If you think it's dishonest to selectively quote, why did you do it, and why do you selectively answer?


Still waiting for you to reply on my criticism of plain packaging

UK campaigners have been spurred on by initiatives elsewhere, including attempts in Australia to make it illegal to sell tobacco to anyone born after the year 2000.

Do you actually believe that they are going to be "spurred on" by these initiates, but that they are going to stop at plain packaging, and not start lobbying for the above.



Oh you!

 

[jeds]

I gave up when my daughter was born in 1990. I'm not bothered what other people do. If they want to smoke that's up to them - as long as it doesn't directly affect me. The thing I noticed most afterwards was that I started to dislike the smell of smoking. If somebody came within 3 metres (3 yards) that had been smoking I could smell them - like an old ashtray. I was also aware that telling kids it's bad for them is a waste of time. They're not in the slightest bit bothered by that. So to try and turn them off the idea from an early age I used to make a big joke of it any time we came near to somebody that smelled of ciggies. We used to call them smelly smokers and if we got stood near one in a shop or something we used to hold our noses behind their backs. Then we'd laugh our heads off all the way down the road. (you had to be there) The kids used to think it was hilarious. Well, it worked a treat and neither of them smoke. And they still talk about smelly smokers, and just occasionally if we get stood near a smelly smoker I still hold my nose like I'm going to explode and we still have a good laugh about it.

 

[killerheels]

John, I think you're wasting your time,

Smoking Can Lower Your IQ

Smoking diminish the speed and accuracy of your thinking and bring down your IQ.

Nicotine and the Brain

A large part of the reason that smoking makes us less intelligent is because of the way it effects the brain.

The drug produces changes in a person’s mood that are mainly controlled by effects in the brain. When a smoker inhales, tobacco smoke reaches the lungs and absorbs rapidly because of the huge surface area. From here the nicotine enters the blood. Nicotine concentration in the blood rises quickly and there is a rapid uptake of nicotine into the brain, as shown in animal stidies. This action actually causes a depletion of oxygen which may be why people who smoke have a lower intelligence factor.

The long and short of it is – if you smoke, do the smart thing and quit.

Flippin heck ... thank god David Cameron and Nick Clegg have quit! And Barak Obama, though he's a bit dicey and still allegedly cadges cigarettes off his aides.

 

[JohnD]

Still waiting for you to reply on my criticism of plain packaging

I have replied but you ignore it

You have no shame for pretending that an attempt in Australia is part of a UK plan

I suppose masona is right.

 

[chapeau]

Well the goal must be making smoking cigarettes illegal but it's going to be a tricky path to get there. Certainly pregnant women and others with children in the house are essentially assaulting their kids with a deadly weapon but not sure how you deal with that in practice.

 

[JohnD]

I've seen the AronSearle on another thread.

I now realise what he is.

Click

 

[doitall]

All about controlling the population.

Has anyone else noticed, every thread turns to abuse when you have different opinions. I look at it, and think Yep, he's loosing the argument here comes the abuse.

If everyone ignores everyone, you'll only be able to see your post so you can be right every time like Joe 90

 

[killerheels]

If everyone ignores everyone, you'll only be able to see your post so you can be right every time like Joe 90

Now why didn't I think of doing that! Plain thick that's what I am ... must be the fags

Hee ..hee ... I like your droll wit doitall