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[Roy Bloom]

Strangely (?) Roy posted a partial quote that omits the answer. He accidentally (?) Gave a false and misleading impression.

So in a spirit of helpful co-operation, I will do it for him. Quoting from the link he provided.

Can anyone guess what it is?




I will repeat that.

You missed this bit:

the law doesn’t define the terms “transwoman” or “trans woman” at all.

The law doesn't define the terms, transwoman or trans woman, because they are women in the eyes of the law.
The law defines a woman, the 'trans' prefix is superfluous.

You've chosen to post a small snippet of the article, in order to place your own emphasis, and your own interpretation on that single sentence.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

Roy you seem to have a lot skin in this game. Yet you fail to actually make a point or offer your opinion.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Very helpfully, Roy's article goes on to say:

"If a trans woman who doesn’t have a GRC wants to access a female-only space, and is refused access, that’s not discrimination on grounds of gender reassignment, but discrimination on grounds of sex. She’s refused access not because she’s trans, but because she’s both legally and biologically male. That means she can lawfully be refused access any time it’s lawful at all to have a female-only space"

Already covered way back on page 4.

There are grounds for excluding anyone from using single sex spaces. But simply being transexual are not sufficient grounds.
Have you tried google?

can a transwomen use a womens toilet in UK - Google Search

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has ruled organisations such as refuges and gyms can exclude transgender people from single-sex services if it can demonstrate its actions are proportionate.
Legitimate reasons for excluding trans people from single-sex spaces include enabling privacy, preventing trauma or to ensure health and safety.

Trans women can be excluded from single-sex toilets, watchdog rules

It is the first time guidance on this issue has been released

www.standard.co.uk

As you said, there is a difference between sex and gender. And when a single-sex area is considered to be based on biological differences, then it may be legal to exclude transwomen, but not arbitrarily simply on transgender.
Where the are si not based on biological differences, there may not be a legitimate reason to exclude transwomen.
And toilets, and possibly changing rooms, etc, are not an area considered to be single sex areas, they're single gender areas.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Roy you seem to have a lot skin in this game. Yet you fail to actually make a point or offer your opinion.

I'm content to clarify the definitions, legal rulings, etc, to counter the high degree of meaningless slogans, mythology and discrimination demonstrated against trans women.
But weirdly, there's no discrimination against transmen.
Weird that.

 

[JohnD]

And toilets, and possibly changing rooms, etc, are not an area considered to be single sex areas, they're single gender areas.

Considered by you.

 

[JohnD]

You've chosen to post a small snippet of the article, in order to place your own emphasis, and your own interpretation on that single sentence.

You chose to hide the vital point, in order to place your own emphasis, and your own interpretation of what you would have liked it to say (but doesn't)

 

[JohnD]

There are grounds for excluding anyone from using single sex spaces. But simply being transexual are not sufficient grounds.

But not being a member of that sex is more than sufficient

Obviously.

That's the whole point of a single-sex space.

 

[JohnD]

they are women in the eyes of the law.

In the eyes of the law, a trans woman is a woman.

What law do you have in mind?

Show me the one that says "a man who utters the words 'I am a woman'' immediately (but not irrevevocably) becomes a woman."

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The end goal will be some sort of vanilla androgynous society with no one defined as either male or female.

You will comply ...

 

[JohnD]

I suggets you look up the definition of TERF.

It is a term of abuse used by transactivists in an attempt to diminish women who do not agree that a man is a woman.

 

[motorbiking]

Very helpfully, Roy's article goes on to say:

"If a trans woman who doesn’t have a GRC wants to access a female-only space, and is refused access, that’s not discrimination on grounds of gender reassignment, but discrimination on grounds of sex. She’s refused access not because she’s trans, but because she’s both legally and biologically male. That means she can lawfully be refused access any time it’s lawful at all to have a female-only space"

This is correct and the reverse could be unlawful

 

[motorbiking]

You missed this bit:


The law doesn't define the terms, transwoman or trans woman, because they are women in the eyes of the law.
The law defines a woman, the 'trans' prefix is superfluous.

You've chosen to post a small snippet of the article, in order to place your own emphasis, and your own interpretation on that single sentence.

Not true. To argue that they are women is to discriminate against women.

 

[SirGalahad]

World is going to shît .

Thanks to right wingers.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

If you think I’ve harassed you then report it please. But probably have a little look at your posting style also.

I posted to get feeling of how we all felt.

I think Roy needs to go on ignore. He's a serial fruit loop.

 

[SirGalahad]

There are how many biological sexes - male, female, intersex - that's it all this gender nonsense is confusing and not helpful.