How Wireless EV Charging Works

[Harry Bloomfield]

Maybe it would work, but the apps are only being offered to in the case of the one I found Porsche only owner will be given access to the app, it would seem if a Porsche owner also had a Vauxhall he could charge his Vauxhall, but by restricting the app, they are getting around the new law.

Imagine if Shell only refuelled Vauxhall diesels, and BP limited themselves to refuelling Fords

 

[morqthana]

Maybe it would work, but the apps are only being offered to in the case of the one I found Porsche only owner will be given access to the app, it would seem if a Porsche owner also had a Vauxhall he could charge his Vauxhall, but by restricting the app, they are getting around the new law.

Are you absolutely sure you're not talking about the destination chargers being provided by Porsche which allow Porsche drivers to charge for free via the Porsche app, but which non-Porsche drivers have to pay to use, via a contactless card, or whichever generic EV charging app they have on their phone?

And will you please provide a link to this new law on the Govt legislation site?

 

[Why Not Indeed]

they are getting around the new law

Where do you get this **** from? The signal to noise ratio with your posts is appalling.

 

[JohnW2]

Where do you get this **** from? The signal to noise ratio with your posts is appalling.

It might sound more dramatic as a noise to signal ratio

However, we "know and love" eric

 

[JohnW2]

Returning to driving practices, isn't it a (yet again) situation in which intelligent thought and common sense should prevail, since blind obsession with a slogan like "don't stay in ('hog') the middle lane" is such a blanket generalisation that it cannot always be appropriate (or sensible) ??

I would like to think that what I have described is consistent with "intelligent thought and common sense", but I am far less sure about that in relation to an approach which (even if the road is very busy) would only 'allows' vehicles to use 2 or 3 of the lanes for more than very brief periods, with most of the drivers continually trying to push into (very busy) lane(s) to their left.

 

[morqthana]

...with most of the drivers continually trying to push into (very busy) lane(s) to their left.

Except they may not. Even if they are, or are willing to be, travelling at the same speed, unless there's a 4+ second gap (in the dry), which at 70mph is 130m+, then they simply may not move to their left.

 

[JohnW2]

Except they may not. Even if they are, or a prepared to be, travelling at the same speed, unless there's a 4+ second gap (130m+ at 70mph in the dry) then they simply may not move to their left.

Exactly - that's why I wrote ... "... continually trying to push into (very busy) lane(s) to their left... " (an activity which, in itself, is not without 'risks').

 

[morqthana]

The problem is that the roads are full of people who think that a gap half that size is more than enough, and will label anybody who doesn't move into it a lane-hog.

 

[JohnW2]

The problem is that the roads are full of people who think that a gap half that size is more than enough, and will label anybody who doesn't move into it a lane-hog.

Quite so. As I've said, that would be those people who have blindly adopted a "don't hog the middle lane" slogan without adequate (if any) proper thought about the implications and practicalities (and even legalities) of what it means

 

[JohnW2]

Except they may not. Even if they are, or are willing to be, travelling at the same speed, unless there's a 4+ second gap (in the dry), which at 70mph is 130m+, then they simply may not move to their left.

Indeed, and that illustrates why, in practice, an awful lot of lane changing is 'potentially dangerous'.

Some people do leave at least the minimum recommended gap between their vehicle and the one in front (as you've said, 2 seconds)) but I need not tell you that very many don't. However, as you've been saying for a lane change to be 'safe' (per Highway Code) the gap into which a lane-changer jumps has to be at least double that recommended spacing - which is rarely going to be the case when a motorway is busy.

It seems particularly ironic that a substantial proportion of the lane-jumping adherence to "don't hog the middle lane" are those who do all the lane jumping without signalling and 'jump in' frighteningly close to the vehicle they've 'jumped in' in front of.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Quite so. As I've said, that would be those people who have blindly adopted a "don't hog the middle lane" slogan without adequate (if any) proper thought about the implications and practicalities (and even legalities) of what it means

I would have no issue, with the 'hogging' in such circumstances, but there are obviously times, when it is impossible to observe the 4-second rule. Even if you try to observe it, someone is bound to squeeze into the gap.

 

[JohnW2]

I would have no issue, with the 'hogging' in such circumstances, but ....

If the motorway is remotely busy, it's extremely unlikely that there will be (m)any 4s gaps, so, it seems that, in practice, you would nearly always "have no issue with the 'hogging' " on a busy or busy-ish road? The only 'other circumstances' would be when the motorway was very quiet - in which case it really makes little/no difference whether or not people 'hog the middle lane'.

.... there are obviously times, when it is impossible to observe the 4-second rule.

Obviously never theoretically 'impossible', but very unlikely to happen when the road is even remotely busy.

Even if you try to observe it, someone is bound to squeeze into the gap.

If someone managed to 'squeeze' exactly into the middle of a 4s gap, they would obviously stuill have 2s gaps in front and behind them. However,again,that 4s gap is rarely going to be present, other than when the road is so quiet that this discussion becomes fairly moot!

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

If the motorway is remotely busy, it's extremely unlikely that there will be (m)any 4s gaps, so, it seems that, in practice, you would nearly always "have no issue with the 'hogging' " on a busy or busy-ish road?

Obviously, I do agree with that.

The only 'other circumstances' would be when the motorway was very quiet - in which case it really makes little/no difference whether or not people 'hog the middle lane'.

Then why would you need to hog the middle lane at all? You would be forcing those doing the right thing, and making use of L1, maybe travelling a bit faster than you, to cross two lanes out, two lanes back, to overtake you. You may not see it has a problem, even on a relatively quiet road, but it can certainly be.

 

[JohnW2]

Obviously, I do agree with that.

OK, so we seem to be agreed in relation to the great majority of situations - in fact, anything other thanwhen a motorway id 'very quiet'.

Then why would you need to hog the middle lane at all?

One wouldn't - but, as I've said, if the road is very quiet, then it does not really matter 'who does what', does it?

You would be forcing those doing the right thing, and making use of L1, maybe travelling a bit faster than you ....

That situation shouldn't arise, since you're talking about the vehicle in L1 'undertaking' the one in L2 and/or a vehicle in L2 slowing down until it was going slower than the vehicle in L1 - neither of which should happen.

, .... to cross two lanes out, two lanes back, to overtake you. You may not see it has a problem, even on a relatively quiet road, but it can certainly be.

As above, (a) the situation you describe shouldn't happen and (b) even if it does then, No, if the road is very quiet, I wouldn't see that as a significant 'problem'. In what sense do you regard it as 'a problem'?

 

[morqthana]

I would have no issue, with the 'hogging' in such circumstances, but there are obviously times, when it is impossible to observe the 4-second rule.

You don't have to leave a 4s gap so that there is space for someone to pull in. There has to be one but you're not required to maintain it.

Even if you try to observe it, someone is bound to squeeze into the gap.

If someone pulls in front of you, too close, you have to slow down or change lane yourself.