Hydrogen to heat homes a terrible idea: Gov to keep funding it.

There are loads of people with heat pumps who are genuinely very happy with them. Are they all part of some giant conspiracy?

As the report says would all the members of NIC like to put there experience of the heat pumps they have in their own houses it may help . I wonder how many actually have them
 
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Going back to the original thread topic, there is increasing knowledge of naturally produced hydrogen reserves underground being available to drill for in the same we drill for natural gas.

If hydogen can be produced by drilling without the need for electricity or refining natural gas, it makes hydrogen a much more attractive proposition.
 
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Going back to the original thread topic, there is increasing knowledge of naturally produced hydrogen reserves underground being available to drill for in the same we drill for natural gas.

If hydogen can be produced by drilling without the need for electricity of refining natural gas, it makes hydrogen a much more attractive proposition.


That some on here have posted that hydrogen is exhorbitantly expensive (to split from the oxygen in water, for example) is based on using current energy networks to do so.


I quick Google shows that more energy arrives at the Earth's surface, from the Sun, per hour, that all of humanity uses in a year.


I know it is not a reality, but a fully-networked Earth would have more energy available to each and everyone of us than we could conceivably ever need.
Energy that would be clean, and effectively limitless.




Further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
 
That some on here have posted that hydrogen is exhorbitantly expensive (to split from the oxygen in water, for example) is based on using current energy networks to do so.


I quick Google shows that more energy arrives at the Earth's surface, from the Sun, per hour, that all of humanity uses in a year.


I know it is not a reality, but a fully-networked Earth would have more energy available to each and everyone of us than we could conceivably ever need.
Energy that would be clean, and effectively limitless.




Further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

However, just how much of the solar energy is it practical to capture, and how much, even if captured, is it sensible to transmit to where it might be needed?
 
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Hopefully tidal power will be our future, on an island surrounded by wild seas. Some trials are happening, hopefully the issues will get solved. Utterly predictable, never stops.

Suspect this would be much more advanced if other countries had the same ratio of coastline to population - most don't hence the focus on solar and wind, which can be used pretty much anywhere.
 
However, just how much of the solar energy is it practical to capture, and how much, even if captured, is it sensible to transmit to where it might be needed?

That would be for the boffins to figure out, and governments to agree between them.

A very cursory Google (@wobs ? Please offer correct advice (y) ) says that the UK-France and UK-Germany interconnectors deal with c. 3 gigawatts of power, so they're pretty chunky.


All of the captured energy wouldn't have to be transmitted electrically anyway: the water-splitting could be done near the solar farm, and the hydrogen produced could be piped or tankered to its destination.


Where there is a will, there is a way.
 
Hopefully tidal power will be our future, on an island surrounded by wild seas. Some trials are happening, hopefully the issues will get solved. Utterly predictable, never stops.

Suspect this would be much more advanced if other countries had the same ratio of coastline to population - most don't hence the focus on solar and wind, which can be used pretty much anywhere.
I agree that tidal power should be much higher up on the development list. As you say, unlike wind and solar, you know exactly what the tide is going to do. With proper planning (ie tidal power farms in different locations around the country so avoid the dead spots of high and low tide) we won't be in the crazy situation we have now where we have to have sufficient backup generation available to cover the periods when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine.
 
There are loads of people with heat pumps who are genuinely very happy with them. Are they all part of some giant conspiracy?

There are also people who find them expensive to buy, and inadequate in cold weather. Are they all part of some giant conspiracy?
 
17k for a standard 3 bedded house bargain at twice the price ;)
 
However, just how much of the solar energy is it practical to capture, and how much, even if captured, is it sensible to transmit to where it might be needed?
If you had a patch of desert sand in North Africa, it would be of low value, but very useful for solar power.

If water was available nearby, you could manufacture hydrogen at low cost.

Gas has been transported to Europe for generations, and high voltage cables are being built.

Europe is willing to pay high prices for energy.

In some parts of the Middle East, solar plant is deliberately destroyed by invaders in order to impoverish the indigenous peoples.
 
Maybe district heating is the way forward

Blup
 
If you had a patch of desert sand in North Africa, it would be of low value, but very useful for solar power.

If water was available nearby, you could manufacture hydrogen at low cost.

Water in the Sahara, is surprisingly lacking.
 
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