If you were God...

Well the problem is the nurse costs £45 an hour. But that's the NHS for you - public sector waste and indolence is rife from top to bottom.

It's got nothing to do with big pharma being money grabbing capitalist outfits, which of course they are. However, your view of drug discovery and development in big pharma is essentially flawed.
So what is the truth?
Does every cure get to the patients and does it get there at a reasonable price?

We know that treatments are regularly denied because they cost £20,000 for the drug?(The NICE upper limit for financing treatments) yep that right drug companies charge up to and over 20k for a months supply of some drugs...
 
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Well the problem is the nurse costs £45 an hour. But that's the NHS for you - public sector waste and indolence is rife from top to bottom.

It's got nothing to do with big pharma being money grabbing capitalist outfits, which of course they are. However, your view of drug discovery and development in big pharma is essentially flawed.
So what is the truth?
Does every cure get to the patients and does it get there at a reasonable price?

We know that treatments are regularly denied because they cost £20,000 for the drug?(The NICE upper limit for financing treatments) yep that right drug companies charge up to and over 20k for a months supply of some drugs...

Mdf290: it seems chapeau is an expert on all matters. He is what I would call a know all! :LOL:
 
So what is the truth?
Does every cure get to the patients and does it get there at a reasonable price?

We know that treatments are regularly denied because they cost £20,000 for the drug?(The NICE upper limit for financing treatments) yep that right drug companies charge up to and over 20k for a months supply of some drugs...
Well we are getting a bit off track here from your original assertions...

The truth is complex...

Bottom line:

All the easy drugs have been discovered.
New expensive drugs aren't significantly better than existing generic ones so won't be approved.
The cost to get a new drug to market is in excess of a billion dollars.
Regulators now require method of action to be understood.
This money has to be recovered in order to be profitable and to develop any new drugs.
Big Pharma no longer has the cash to throw a billion bucks at something

Your £20k drug might extend a single persons life by a miserable month. That £20k can be put to better use elsewhere.

I had dinner the other night with the person responsible for all European/Asia academic collaborations with a big pharma. I presented the scenario where a UK university had discovered "The Cure For Cancer" and offered their research to the big pharma in return for cash up front and a royalty, what would the pharma do.

Their response: Pharma would require data to show it worked.
My Response: Too expensive for the university to do the trials.
Their response: Too expensive and risky for the pharma to get involved so won't get taken up by them without further data.

Bit of a catch 22 really.
 
So what is the truth?
Does every cure get to the patients and does it get there at a reasonable price?

We know that treatments are regularly denied because they cost £20,000 for the drug?(The NICE upper limit for financing treatments) yep that right drug companies charge up to and over 20k for a months supply of some drugs...
Well we are getting a bit off track here from your original assertions...

The truth is complex...

Bottom line:

All the easy drugs have been discovered.
New expensive drugs aren't significantly better than existing generic ones so won't be approved.
The cost to get a new drug to market is in excess of a billion dollars.
Regulators now require method of action to be understood.
This money has to be recovered in order to be profitable and to develop any new drugs.
Big Pharma no longer has the cash to throw a billion bucks at something

Your £20k drug might extend a single persons life by a miserable month. That £20k can be put to better use elsewhere.

I had dinner the other night with the person responsible for all European/Asia academic collaborations with a big pharma. I presented the scenario where a UK university had discovered "The Cure For Cancer" and offered their research to the big pharma in return for cash up front and a royalty, what would the pharma do.

Their response: Pharma would require data to show it worked.
My Response: Too expensive for the university to do the trials.
Their response: Too expensive and risky for the pharma to get involved so won't get taken up by them without further data.

Bit of a catch 22 really.

So why don't we close the nhs down and save £100m's? How much do you think was spent on researching the likes of organ transplatantation etc before it could be done reliably and at a fraction of the original costs. You sound a really selfish individual to me. A case of I'm alright Jack. :rolleyes:
 
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You just cannot answer sensible debates. Keep to your bigoted uneducated views.
 
Forget science??? Are you serious?

I have yet to hear anyone stopping an argument by saying 'we should not fight they are doing wonderful things with the Haldron Collider' or 'When this Higgs Bosun is detected it will make a huge difference to my weekly shopping bill'



You are quite correct in what you say re. stopping an argument, however going back over the centuries, was it the Haldron Collider which started wars, NO! It was god FFS!! they're still doing it now, the different clans of arabs, what sort of god allows that to happen??
 
However Tone I will elaborate a bit more as who knows maybe your view will soften a little when I explain.
No it wont and for the reason I have already given. I repeat, it is not the fault of science that some of it it used for evil.

If you are saying "well some 90% or more is for good, or just plain harmless, but because 10% is used for harm we should forget the lot or stop trying to make new discoveries", that is absurd IMHO.

What is needed is to curb those whom try to use that fraction for harm. We could start by not selling arms or the secrets of nuclear and chemical warfare to belligerent countries. :evil: That is not the fault of science; that is politics and dumb politicians!
 
what sort of god allows that to happen??

Gods rule is about to be established on earth. The next 1,000 years will be Gods time.
We have come to the end of Gods alloted time for mans self-rule, the end of 6,000 years of man.
God has learned one very important lesson during this time. Man cannot rule himself!
 
Bloody Hell Norcon.

Remind me not to invite you round for a fun dinner!
 
He would be wise not to go to your fun dinner, not when you would feed him home made horse burgers!
 
Bloody Hell Norcon.

Remind me not to invite you round for a fun dinner!
He's been thanked 181 times chapeau. That's more than you, me and other sane posters put together.

Proof, if it were needed, that it doesn't pay to talk sense.

So then, of course the moon is made of cheese. Discus...
 
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