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In fairness, UK industry was slitting its own throat for years, through appalling lack of quality and productivity, and even worse work ethic and industrial relations.
Partly but not entirely true by any means
A fair proportion is down to business and taking advantage of opportunity relating to globalisation. Also in some cases deciding they could not compete with overseas sources. ICI is a good example of that which in turn relates to globalisation.

Free market ideas figure - all are aware of where that started ;) I'd hope.

The lot relates to the end of exchange control. Something she probably had to do.
 
This country started going down the toilet for the working bloke in the 70s

When some pencil pushers re defined the meaning of the word

Perks to Theft :ROFLMAO:
 
In fairness, UK industry was slitting its own throat for years, through appalling lack of quality and productivity, and even worse work ethic and industrial relations.
some of that is true.

and it was Thatcher, a Tory , not Blair or Brown
 
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Seems the propaganda lives on, having witnessed that period first hand I watch in disbelief how it's portrayed as all bad.
 
Tackling what needed to be tackled.
Not attacking that, although there are arguments for and against, it's not the points being discussed

The point made though was that it was started by Blair and Brown. That was wrong
 
Not attacking that, although there are arguments for and against, it's not the points being discussed

The point made though was that it was started by Blair and Brown. That was wrong

Who claimed that Blair and Brown started the wrecking of British industry? Because if anyone did in this thread, I haven't seen it.
 
There is another factor as well. First heard off an accountant that did project work for the main board. One of the more interesting courses I was sent on. Companies no longer into job creation. Jobs some one else's problem not theirs. Their responsibility is to the shareholders. Japan had an interesting way of handling one of the problems associated with that. Update plant but leave people using old plant until they retire or leave.

No point in commenting on strikes in the motor industry. I have done before. One factor about working in it is that it's easier to see what was actually going on.
 
You don't find it hard to sympathise with them at all. You find it hard to relate their position with your own. Perhaps you lack 'empathy'

When you earn £60k+ a year then your lifestyle & the quality of your life tends to reflect that level of earnings. I can imagine a train driver on those earnings lives in a nice house in a nice neighbourhood, drives a nice car, eats out in a nice restaurant regularly & can probably afford to persue happiness at the level of their choice.

When the value of that £60k+salary is diminished by inflation, then they're actually far worse affected than some scrote who "won't work" earning less than minimum wage, right up to some hard working folk earning the realistic average wage of £24k-£28k per year.

If you don't think a train drivers labour is worth £60k+ per year then that's a different matter. A matter that YOU need to qualify with a proven & indepth knowledge of what it takes to qualify & gain employment as a train driver.

Well done, thankyou for agreeing with me.
 
Obviously there's no great black and white divide. But the tories between 1979-1997 actually did a pretty good job with the national debt. Blair/Brown were pretty cautious about spending in their first term, they basically plodded along doing what Major had done, the "Prooodence" years. But when they got the Labour party's first ever re-election as a result of not being dicks for the first time ever in Labour's history, Brown just went nuts. Borrowed money was lobbed at everyone and everything.

The tories have made noises about sorting things out, but in reality they've just carried on doing what Brown did. Public spending is at ridiculous levels, even after they've had 12 years to do something about it. But, as stated previously, they really don't have any choice - the voters have got used to bribery. If they don't get enough money for nothing they'll vote for the other lot.

GDP figures are largely nonsense, particularly when banking is categorised as an industry. Plus, even vs GDP, it looks like we're heading to World War 2 levels of debt, when the entire country was mobilised and fighting for its survival. We've had a cough and high gas bills, we haven't been defending the country from invasion.
 
A look at a bit of this will be enormous reassurance. Someone recognizes what's wrong, and knows what to do do about it:

Surely that date is just a mistake....?
 
having witnessed that period first hand I watch in disbelief how it's portrayed as all bad.
Me too and I worked in aN area that was very newsworthy in a number of respects.

Odd really as people seem to be aware of newspaper propaganda and increasing the web but the myths from various periods still live on. Worse luck really - it just go to show how well they work.

We are having a style of that at the moment with most of the strikes. Public opinion on them may well swing. Reactions that may arise from that happening wont do anything about the basic problems - just strikes.
 
Me too and I worked in aN area that was very newsworthy in a number of respects.

Odd really as people seem to be aware of newspaper propaganda and increasing the web but the myths from various periods still live on. Worse luck really - it just go to show how well they work.

We are having a style of that at the moment with most of the strikes. Public opinion on them may well swing. Reactions that may arise from that happening wont do anything about the basic problems - just strikes.

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