Is Islam A Religion of Peace
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blightymam
Very generous prezzie.
He sounds nice, a little dull, but nice. You can still be a good person and drink tho.. just as can still do a lot of good without being in a church.
It's good that he went to Africa, but as already pointed out, going to Africa with a religion comes with conditions. I don't really like conditions with being good, it's not really an altruistic act.
Roger, you have admitted that religion was invented so, what is it are you promoting?
Duping people so they go to Africa???
Duping people so they go to Africa???
Troll.
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they dont understand it roger, they have there own ideas. there blind to how things work whith God, they think he should come down and sort it, but they dont know that God is working amongst his people, like your nephew,and his church.
...but Roger admits god was invented.
What about the athiests and agnostics who do good work (*) in helping the people in poor countries ? Is God working "amongst" them ? And if he is working "amongst" the athiests and agnostics then doesn't that imply he is exerting some control over what people choose to do,
(*) is it always good in the long term. My cousin did nearly three years of VSO ( Voluntary Service Overseas ) mostly in Burma. He ( and he is not alone in this ) soon realised that the wrong sort of interference with the native's lifestyle had short term benefits but long term they were worse off.
An example is infant mortality.
For us in the developed world the thought of an infant dying is totally unacceptable because we can always feed as many people as there are in the community. In the third world and especially where there not enough food then not only is infant mortality accepted it is expected and in times of poor harvests / droughts it is possibly welcome
Reducing infant mortality can have an adverse effect. This is hard to accept but it is something which the people involved know is true If a mother in a "primitive" community looses a child in the first few weeks of life that loss is far less emotionally destructive than the loss of the same child a few years later to starvation when the child has a personaity and the mother - child bond has been established. Reducing infant mortality in a community of people who accept infant mortality as normal increases the population beyond the resources available to the community and then more people die of starvation if relief food is not provided to them.
God does not control us,he works whith us.
all good work is commendable, and some work done by unbelievers is fantastic, and brave, honourable,and God does help them also. even if they dont see that.
but the main objective is not just giving better bearable lives, but also salvation and a hope in christ.
Ah, so the' 'charitable' work is only a means to a selfish, pointless end.
Does that not remove the 'charitable' part?
So, atheists doing similar work for truly and solely altruistic reasons are in fact far better people.
no, the church gives, regardless of whether some one accepts salvation or not, but they still benefit.
maybe there some better people, like atheists, doing charitable work, but a lot of people in the church are doing good work because they have changed hearts. that would not of normally of got involved.
a pointless end is only your opinion, it does not change the fact, that people need salvation,and hope, and in christ its there.
In the 1960's I had a series of meetings with a Vicar. The aim was to convert me into being a "believer" so that I could officially work in a youth group attached to the church. After a few meetings he shocked me by admitting he no longer believed in a God.
He continued in role because the church provided an essential service to a lot of people. It gave people a social club house where they could meet together and benefit from being part of a social group. Many of these people would never admit to needing the services of a social club. They did see "church" as a social club, they were there only to be doing God's work.
He did explain what had made him doubt the existance of a god in heaven and then why he knew there was no God. They are private to him and I respect that by not discussing them
He continued in role because the church provided an essential service to a lot of people. It gave people a social club house where they could meet together and benefit from being part of a social group. Many of these people would never admit to needing the services of a social club. They did see "church" as a social club, they were there only to be doing God's work.
He did explain what had made him doubt the existance of a god in heaven and then why he knew there was no God. They are private to him and I respect that by not discussing them
no one can convert any one, only God can do that, and it depends on the person, if they want to respond. we can only give out the message, its God that has the power to change people.
if you have a touch from God, and know him, its impossible to doubt he exists, but we can fall back in to sin,and be dulled in our hearts of him, but to say he does not exist, then its possible he did not know God in the first place.
And some are nothing but hypocrites who will do good when they are in view and can be seen to be doing good work but ask them to do something in the back room that does not attract attention and they will refuse.
Jesus warns us not to be like that, but to serve as onto God and not unto men
matthew 6
5 “And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
My lady doth protest too much is a running theme in your fairy tale.
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