Johnson Is So Useless

[Notch7]

This specific hospital was on the news as being jam packed with COVID patients

No it wasn't.

 

[Notch7]

I ask the anti-vax question purely because i don't understand what appears to be your concern with relying on the vaccine as a route out of this mess.

What other measures do you think we should be applying? I'm interested to know what is proven to work elsewhere and discuss whether it would work here.

The vaccine is the only way out, there is no other option.

lockdowns are only intended to stop the bathtub overflowing

 

[Trazor]

It makes me chuckle that what people think is fact is what they hear off the media or read in the papers lol. Certain people on here seem to think they are experts because they read it in the media so believe certain aspects of stories.In my job in the last few months I was in a specific hospital in the south west doing some commercial work . This specific hospital was on the news as being jam packed with COVID patients. I spent 6 days in there doing work. Many times I was right outside certain COVID wards and there where 3 people in there. Not the 56 people the media said.I also have someone who works in a different hospital in my street who has said the statistics you read in the media are MASSIVELY exaggerated. One old lady was taken to her hospital with heart problems coming towards the end of her life,whilst in hospital she passed away and it was put on record as Covid.SHE NEVER DIED OF COVID.she died from heart problems that were ongoing in her life. I’m sick to death of people reading in a paper about stuff and that means it’s fact.This post will get deleted because all the idiots believe this bull . I WILL NOT BE GETTING A VACCINE end of. I’m not putting an unknown substance in my arm that was rushed through without the proper precautions etc. The medical companies knew that the government where desperate so rushed through something that hasn’t been tested properly then sold it to the government for billions of pounds and people are taking it. All these idiots blaming boris when he is just passing on the info from the medical people. People are dyeing all over the world from other things and there is no panic or hysteria.it’s the media that has created this hysteria. Astonished how people think something that they say can kill you can take hold of you and end your life sometimes with no symptoms at all lol.I’m sorry but something strong enough to kill you would create symptoms. If the newspaper said tomorrow that the world was gonna end you would all believe it. Get a bloody grip. I’m more concerned about the people with other illnesses like cancer who are being ignored their treatment due to this unnecessary hysteria.Specific countries in this world are back to normal because there media behaves a lot different than ours. (Reminds me of the BLM story were a woman in New York was supposed to have mown down loads of BLM protesters because she was unhappy with them and she was racist,low and behold somebody released a video showing how she was threatened in her car,and they started to smash her car whilst her baby was with her and panicked and sped off. Guess what nothing ever reported again. The media are all liers and it baffles me that people believe every word they read or hear

Utter conspiratorial rubbish.

 

[JP_]

There is, of course, the reverse question - places with less severe lockdown with lower death rate - e.g. Japan.

How do you define less severe? They closed their borders, shut all schools (distance learning started almost immediately, it took us months and then we sent kids back!), cancelled the Olympics and most if not all other events ....

"Japan's death rate per capita from coronavirus is one of the lowest in the developed world, despite its aging population. Factors suggested to explain this include the government response, a milder strain of the virus, cultural habits such as bowing etiquette and wearing face masks, hand washing with sanitizing equipment, a protective genetic trait, and a relative immunity conferred by the mandatory BCG tuberculosis vaccine"

Overall, their "less severe" lockdown was much more thorough than ours, and there appears to be far fewer covidiots and deniers refusing to wear masks or distance themselves.

Although, that is not working as well for the Japanese now with the more contagious strain:

Hospitals in Japan close to collapse as serious Covid cases soar - Tue 19 Jan 2021

 

[John the plumber]

Utter conspiratorial rubbish.

Utter truth unlike you muppets who believe the media

 

[John the plumber]

No it wasn't.

Yes it was.

 

[John the plumber]

Yes it was.

 

[Mottie]

Many times I was right outside certain COVID wards and there where 3 people in there.

I didn’t think you could get anywhere near a Covid ward let alone get to count the patients they have in there.

The media are all liers and it baffles me that people believe every word they read or hear

So we should just believe you then?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Hospitals in Japan close to collapse as serious Covid cases soar - Tue 19 Jan 2021

They can't have many beds then.
On the other hand:

It must depend what you read. Which is correct? This from last May.
https://time.com/5842139/japan-beat-coronavirus-testing-lockdowns/

I was not aware of the high third wave there.
Death rate up to 37 per million.

 

[JP_]

Yes.... but they say "without lockdown", but they did close all the schools, and close the borders, which many people believe to be the key.
Plus, as already said, their culture is different, they tend to keep their distance, they don't shake hands much etc. so that might all help, at least, early on with the less contagious form. But they appear to be getting it worse now.

Either way you look at it, people are dying everywhere, and the only way to stop it spreading, is don't let it spread - i.e. ensure carriers don't get into contact with, and infect, non-carriers.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I've read from the start of the thread and i don't see your solution other than references to lockdowns and travel restrictions that are already inplace.

Is it just a more strongly enforced lockdown?

I have already said several times, but I can't remember in which thread.
But yes, masks, social distancing, lockdowns ( not the halfhearted unenforceable confusing situations that we've seen do far), etc.

A short sharp lockdown is less stressful and damaging to the economy than multiple halfhearted unenforceable lockdowns, but more effective.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The vaccine is the only way out, there is no other option.

lockdowns are only intended to stop the bathtub overflowing

Then how come some countries have been successful?
Sure a vaccine is the ultimate option, but it has only limited value in the short term.
Then there's the risk that a vaccine will never be the ultimate successful measure. There's always the risk that annual vaccines will be required.

 

[Trazor]

There's always the risk that annual vaccines will be required.

What do you mean risk..............Flu jabs are already administered yearly.

 

[John the plumber]

I didn’t think you could get anywhere near a Covid ward let alone get to count the patients they have in there.

So we should just believe you then?

Are you for real,you can believe the media I will believe both what I personally see myself and people who are involved in it. They say the hospitals are at breaking point when they aren’t, they say on countless news stories that we will take you inside the main Covid wards and all you see is all the doctors and just a couple patients along with empty beds. They say the hospitals are in danger yet they have multiple nightingale hospitals lying empty all around the country. To get into one specific hospital down in Cornwall the entrance is right next to the dedicated Covid ward so you have to walk past the windows,you can openly see in and it’s empty. There has been multiple people who have got into hospitals and walked around filming the empty Covid wards putting the videos on YouTube ffs. But if the media who have been proven to not be accurate say a square is really a circle then you will believe it. Crazy

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

What do you mean risk..............Flu jabs are already administered yearly.

I was referring to Covid vaccine.
We were discussing Covid at the time, and flu' hadn't been mentioned.