Might the Coronavirus have originated elsewhere than China?

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Unlikely.
Virus genetically very close to that of SARS 2003, which AFAIK is accepted to have originated in China.
First cases were in hubei, and many were linked to the Wuhan market.
While similar viruses are probably to be found elsewhere, the critical changes or mutations that turned one into a human - killing pandemic virus most likely happened somewhere near wuhan
 
linked to the Wuhan market.

Their initial report said more seemed to be associated with the market. That's why the closed it.

Then came the problem - many can catch it without symptoms worth bothering about so hard to know how far it's spread.
 
Their initial report said more seemed to be associated with the market. That's why the closed it.

Then came the problem - many can catch it without symptoms worth bothering about so hard to know how far it's spread.

So, what is your point?

Are you trying to say that, by chance alone, all the symptomatic people were linked to the market, and a whole load more asymptomatic ones weren't? That stretches credulity.
 
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Unlikely.
Virus genetically very close to that of SARS 2003, which AFAIK is accepted to have originated in China.
First cases were in hubei, and many were linked to the Wuhan market.
While similar viruses are probably to be found elsewhere, the critical changes or mutations that turned one into a human - killing pandemic virus most likely happened somewhere near wuhan

The first known human cases of SARS 2003 were in China. Like COVID-19, the animal source is still uncertain. As far as I'm aware the genetic closeness of SARS 2003 to bats and/or civets isn't close enough to be definitive ditto COVID-19 to bats and/or pangolin. The search goes on. I'm not sure it's been proven yet that the first human cases of COVID-19 were in China. The first outbreak of this pandemic was but there seems to be building anecdotal data of earlier isolated cases in multiple locations. I think the jury is still out and a lot more research is needed.
 
Makes sense that it would spread in a very busy place like a market. Somebody could have travelled to the market to work from miles away, then spread it to thousands there.

There really is no point in blaming anybody though, unless it turns out it was engineered and released on purpose.
 
Makes sense that it would spread in a very busy place like a market. Somebody could have travelled to the market to work from miles away, then spread it to thousands there.

There really is no point in blaming anybody though, unless it turns out it was engineered and released on purpose.

I don't think it's about blame. I think it's about understanding how / when/ where the virus really came from so that, hopefully, the world might be better prepared for future emergences when they occur.
 
I don't think it's about blame. I think it's about understanding how / when/ where the virus really came from so that, hopefully, the world might be better prepared for future emergences when they occur.

In what way will the world be better prepared for the next pandemic, if it knows in which country the first reported cases of a previous one arose?
 
Does the Oxford professor have any lucrative links with China, one wonders? Departmental research grants? Many others, including the WHO and some of our own politicians and civil servants seem to be on the CCP payroll, judging by how China can do no wrong in some quarters?
 
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Does the Oxford professor have any lucrative links with China, one wonders? Departmental research grants? Many others, including the WHO and some of our own politicians and civil servants seem to be on the CCP payroll, judging by how China can do no wrong?

You'd better ask Notch7. He's the expert in conspiracy theories.
 
You'd better ask Notch7. He's the expert in conspiracy theories.
No need to.
With China, we are dealing with a murderous, totalitarian regime, no better than the Nazis. They run a mercantalist economy on the spurious grounds that they are a 'developing nation'; they steal Western technology; run re-education camps; militarise the South China Sea and threaten other nations in the region; suppressed information on the CV outbreak; and ask the people of HK how they feel about the new laws.
We have for too long exported our strategic manufacturing to this duplicitous regime.
In even writing this, I have broken Chinese law and could be arrested if ever I did a stop-over in HK.
We hear a lot about Britain being America's poodle, but Cameron, Osborne and May were President Xi's poodles, selling the country for a few pieces of silver.
 
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No need to.
With China, we are dealing with a murderous, totalitarian regime, no better than the Nazis. They run a mercantalist economy on the spurious grounds that they are a 'developing nation'; they steal Western technology; run re-education camps; militarise the South China Sea and threaten other nations in the region; suppressed information on the CV outbreak; and ask the people of HK how they feel about the new laws.
We have for too long exported our strategic manufacturing to this duplicitous regime.
In even writing this, I have broken Chinese law and could be arrested if ever I did a stop-over in HK.
We hear a lot about Britain being America's poodle, but Cameron, Osborne and May were President Xi's poodles, all for a few pieces of silver.

Struggling to see the connection with the origins of COVID-19.
 
Struggling to see the connection with the origins of COVID-19.
In my first post, I was merely wondering if some of these academics have a vested interest in suggesting China might not be the source.
How many Chinese students are studying in Oxford?
 
In my first post, I was merely wondering if some of these academics have a vested interest in suggesting China might not be the source.
How many Chinese students are studying in Oxford?

1,068 = 4.4% (including Hong Kong and Macau). So what?
 
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