Might the Coronavirus have originated elsewhere than China?

[fillyboy]

In my first post, I was merely wondering if some of these academics have a vested interest in suggesting China might not be the source.
How many Chinese students are studying in Oxford?

Australia suggested an independent inquiry should be held and got slapped with 80% tariffs on some foodstuffs by China.

I think that tells you all you need to know about the Chinese.

 

[Notch7]

You'd better ask Notch7. He's the expert

True

 

[noseall]

No need to.
With China, we are dealing with a murderous, totalitarian regime, no better than the Nazis. They run a mercantalist economy on the spurious grounds that they are a 'developing nation'; they steal Western technology; run re-education camps; militarise the South China Sea and threaten other nations in the region; suppressed information on the CV outbreak; and ask the people of HK how they feel about the new laws.
We have for too long exported our strategic manufacturing to this duplicitous regime.
In even writing this, I have broken Chinese law and could be arrested if ever I did a stop-over in HK.
We hear a lot about Britain being America's poodle, but Cameron, Osborne and May were President Xi's poodles, selling the country for a few pieces of silver.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Regurgitated twaddle.


Covid19 is a 21 century disease. We (humans) will see more of them. They are perpetuated by the style of living and the way we now live along side (intensive farming etc) animals. They can only develop and thrive in the condistions we set.

 

[noseall]

I think that tells you all you need to know about the Chinese.

Nor really no. Sounds to me like a typical Trumpist reaction.

 

[ajohn]

We have for too long exported our strategic manufacturing to this duplicitous regime.

Twaddle. The we is companies who do it as they can make more profit. Other far east countries have been used for the same thing in the past. Eventually they get more expensive and the cheap work goes elsewhere. Net result but an exaggerated view is that the far east is more or less the power house of the world now as far as manufacture is concerned.

The other aspect you may have heard relating to the EU is market size. China - 1.4b people. An aspect that still gives the USA an advantage but not one as large as China has. The domestic market sets the size a company can grow to before it starts to export / start taking notice of the rest of the world by doing things like buying up smaller companies.

Then comes this. Read the rest on the wiki
In economics, a free market is a system in which the prices for goods and services are self-regulated by the open market and by consumers. In a free market, the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government or other authority, and from all forms of economic privilege, monopolies and artificial scarcities.[1] Proponents of the concept of free market contrast it with a regulated market in which a government intervenes in supply and demand through various methods such as tariffs used to restrict trade and to protect the local economy. In an idealized free-market economy, prices for goods and services are set freely by the forces of supply and demand and are allowed to reach their point of equilibrium without intervention by government policy.

While some politicians push it as being wonderful it never really exists in practice. Take supermarkets and loss leaders as a subtle example. They keep a very close watch on each others prices. There aim is as much profit as possible. The same thing happens in many areas between competing companies - no one really rocks the boat by cutting prices. If a small one does they are very likely to be bought up by a larger one.

 

[JP_]

I don't think it's about blame.

So why is the title of this thread "Might China be off the hook?"

 

[ajohn]

Australia suggested an independent inquiry should be held and got slapped with 80% tariffs on some foodstuffs by China.

I think that tells you all you need to know about the Chinese.

LOL And the USA. I'll add a bit via an edit. The USA's problem in that area on say steel is that the need it to keep their prices down so doubling the cost of it from China wouldn't go down well.

Does China need Oz food? They have outTrumped Trump.

 

[Trazor]

They can only develop and thrive in the condistions we set.

People in glass houses.......

 

[Vinty]

No need to.
With China, we are dealing with a murderous, totalitarian regime, no better than the Nazis. They run a mercantalist economy on the spurious grounds that they are a 'developing nation'; they steal Western technology; run re-education camps; militarise the South China Sea and threaten other nations in the region; suppressed information on the CV outbreak; and ask the people of HK how they feel about the new laws.
We have for too long exported our strategic manufacturing to this duplicitous regime.
In even writing this, I have broken Chinese law and could be arrested if ever I did a stop-over in HK.
We hear a lot about Britain being America's poodle, but Cameron, Osborne and May were President Xi's poodles, selling the country for a few pieces of silver.

The Chinese have lifted 100's of millions of their people out of poverty through hard work, they also react decisively to protect their people from any threats to their health.
Maybe Boris could learn something from the Chinese.

 

[JP_]

No need to.
With China, we are dealing with a murderous, totalitarian regime, no better than the Nazis. They run a mercantalist economy on the spurious grounds that they are a 'developing nation'; they steal Western technology; run re-education camps; militarise the South China Sea and threaten other nations in the region; suppressed information on the CV outbreak; and ask the people of HK how they feel about the new laws.
We have for too long exported our strategic manufacturing to this duplicitous regime.
In even writing this, I have broken Chinese law and could be arrested if ever I did a stop-over in HK.
We hear a lot about Britain being America's poodle, but Cameron, Osborne and May were President Xi's poodles, selling the country for a few pieces of silver.

You mean America, surely? #confused

 

[Deleted2797112]

So why is the title of this thread "Might China be off the hook?"

It's not.

 

[Notch7]

It's not.

because you changed it.

pat yourself on the back

 

[ajohn]

The Chinese have lifted 100's of millions of their people out of poverty through hard work, they also react decisively to protect their people from any threats to their health.
Maybe Boris could learn something from the Chinese.

Their politics makes it much easier for them to do that and thrive as a country. Same with Russia really and some others for the same reasons. China is beginning to put out better products in some areas than the west. Areas directly targetted by their government. Communism has effectively gone capitalist and that is likely to be hard to beat.

There will always be people ruled by that who will want something else but you may well find that the majority are happy with it as that is what they have been bought up to believe in. Hong Kong - a problem waiting to happen but ask yourself what our system would do given similar riots. Paris gave us an example of that recently. Our police seem to have gone of kettling as they boil when a few start causing trouble. We've banned the far right because it's known to be a subject that can attract rather a lot of people.

Us well we are bought up to believe something which is different is best. Ask yourself a question. Is it a good idea for the entire media circus to express political opinions that are often slanted in some way or the other? Plus such things as people on Youtube etc. 5g masts and others spring to mind.

 

[noseall]

People in glass houses.......

...with large fingers...shouldn't type on a smartphone.

I've already admitted I'm hopeless at typing on my phone.
Pay attention boyo.