Indeed, but it kills the "spike in the middle of the steering wheel" argument. Improving perceived safety doesn't necessarily make things less safe.
Modified seatbelt. Can it be put back?
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I think you need to be really careful there. Everyone will tell you they do it "properly", if you ask!
It's all about what was acceptable risk at the time, and just being pleased that you had a car, any car, in 60s/70s. It was common for us to be driven around in parents' car completely unrestrained and often standing up in the back when quite young. These risks would have seemed inconsiquential by comparison to the risk his father took on WW1 battlefields. We have possibly become too risk adverse now.
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Thanks. I've asked for some additional pictures, although now doubting that it is the correct part. The shape of the pretensioner pipe seems different...Seat belt - rear left side for Honda Jazz UK247005-70 | eBay
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If you ask them for a couple more pictures they should be able to help, maybe see if you can find the part number off yours
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It's the same situation at work. I was brought up and worked in an environment, where people made their own assessment of the risk, and relied on their own conscience. There were no long risk assessment forms, before every job - you just looked, and made your own mind up on the spot.
How well did it work? We're more or fewer people per 100,000 workers killed or seriously injured in industrial accidents back then?
Indeed it was! But was it "better"? Probably more fun, I daresay, (I had a number of Reliants when I was younger, including a Bond Bug!) but those of us who look back fondly on those golden days, were the ones who didn't die. As a toddler, I did many miles, sat on my (unbelted) dad's lap, with my sister on the back parcel shelf in her carry cot. Fortunately, we didn't crash...!
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I came to the same conclusion in my earlier post, and posted side by side pictures saying why not
On yours the belt emits from a slot that has the silver pipe near to it on both sides of the slot
On the eBay part posted by thomp that is not the case. Here is why:
If the belt correctly emits from the slot on yours, the sides of the belt will each be approx 5 mm away from some part of the Silver pipe
Now retry and reason that to be true from where you can see the belt emitting on the eBay one:
No part of the silver pipe is anywhere near this side of the belt
The pictures of the item linked by thomp actually seem to be a front belt, judging by other eBay items
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EBay item 276935375019 appears to be more like yours, but it has a damaged belt
Perhaps find someone breaking a jazz that looks like yours and ask them for a price on the required rear belt
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Fun, undoubtedly it was more fun - risk often is fun. Witness the parachutists and bungee jumpers. Safety - that was another thing. But it was definitely more adult because in a lot of ways, as Harry said in his post, we were allowed to take our own choices and assess things ourselves. I'm all for H&S, especially in places like contruction where it was sorely needed. However, the purveyors of our hi-vis world don't know when to stop. We can become infantalised where all risk has to be signposted - then one day when some serious risk comes along that no one expected we don't see it until it's too late - because we were expecting a warning sticker on it. When you get coffee cups with "caution - contents may be hot" on them that's too far.
My previous post was a case in point. When I searched for the video on Youtube - because I searched it by the title of the song, YT wanted to redirect me to The Samaitans.
I kid you not. Try it!
Post #17 gives you a link to a company who can repair your existing belt, who manufacture seat belts for classic and modern cars. You would have had it back by now.
I’m pretty sure most scanners would clear the fault if it showed up, once the belt is reconnected.
Nail, head there. There are far too many such signs, so many that one no longer notices, or takes much notice - common sense went out the window. Now we have people just walking about the streets, wearing day-glow, the ones who really need to be wearing day-glow can be missed in the rest of the crowd wearing them.
Fun, undoubtedly it was more fun - risk often is fun. Witness the parachutists and bungee jumpers. Safety - that was another thing. But it was definitely more adult because in a lot of ways, as Harry said in his post, we were allowed to take our own choices and assess things ourselves. I'm all for H&S, especially in places like contruction where it was sorely needed. However, the purveyors of our hi-vis world don't know when to stop. We can become infantalised where all risk has to be signposted - then one day when some serious risk comes along that no one expected we don't see it until it's too late - because we were expecting a warning sticker on it. When you get coffee cups with "caution - contents may be hot" on them that's too far.
My previous post was a case in point. When I searched for the video on Youtube - because I searched it by the title of the song, YT wanted to redirect me to The Samaitans.
There's a big bit of me wants to agree with you both. Even in the mid '80s when I took my first tentative steps into industry, the health & safety landscape was very different to how it is today - and I imagine that in the '60s and '70s, even more so. We had great fun - "How hard can it be to drive a fork lift"? Dunno, but we nicked one from stores to put one of the guy's cars on the factory roof as a practical joke! Or filling bin bags with acetylene, tying a knot in the top and tossing a lit cigarette stub on to the bag, then running like hell...
...which went well until one of the lads put the bin bag in a steel stillage and tried the same trick...
All good fun, BUT....
...there are fewer workplace accidents today than there were then. That's the inescapable fact. If we were seeing an increase (or even a plateau) in the number and severity of cases, I would willingly agree with you both - because I get as ****ed-off as anyone about "elf 'n safety gone maaaaad" but for all the time it appears to be delivering results, we can't really put much of a case together against it.
Could each of you tell me when you felt there was "enough" by way of Health & Safety legislation? I mean, clearly we didn't have enough when we were sending children up chimneys, down mines, or under looms in "satanic mills", but at what point in time should it have stopped? As far as I'm aware, people have always objected to legislation they have seen as "nannying" - certainly at least for the last few hundred years.
A good point, but I don't know the answer, I'm just glad I am out of industry now, and no longer subject to the H&S nazis - I can assess my own risks, minimise them my own way, and get on with it, like I always did. In my final years at work, visiting numerous sites per day, the company insisted on a risk assessment for every site I visited, alongside the site reports. Do it often enough, and the RA filling, turns into an automatic thing, not worth the paper it is written on.
What I notice is, that as they make things inherently safer, the numpties just find a riskier way to live. As cars became safer, then drivers became less patient, more willing to take risks on the road.
