More deaths in the channel.

[motorbiking]

The appeal court judgement yes, the initial Crown Court one you claimed (before the appeal), no.

You are aware that the appeal had happened when I posted it?

 

[denso13]

You are aware that the appeal had happened when I posted it?

No. You posted the CC judgement first.

 

[motorbiking]

ahh so you jumped to the conclusion that it wasn't case law without checking first? That seems a bit foolish.

maybe you should have asked - has this judgement been tested in a higher court or were they given leave to appeal? The answer would have been - yes, appeal rejected, judgement upheld. Hence its case law.

 

[denso13]

That seems a bit foolish.

Yea, I should have checked your info more thoroughly. My bad.

I don't expect others to do my work for me. I link to the relevant documents, first time.

 

[motorbiking]

I linked the correct document - that being the ruling of Justice Cavanagh in the preparatory hearing. His words are the key element of the ruling and have been cited literally everywhere among those commenting on the illegals. The upper court stood by the ruling - "stare decisis". I appreciate you may not be familiar with how it works.

 

[Roy Bloom]

you must be unaware that a successful claimant can extend the invite to his or her family lawfully.

You must be aware of strict (restrictive) eligibility criteria for the application, and for the expected success of any such application.

 

[Roy Bloom]

First sentence is roughly on the right track. It's common in the justice system. e.g. you go for driving without due care, because dangerous driving might not stick.

...

It's not random and discriminatory, the objective of any prosecution is always twofold. Punish the offender and discourage others. Border force are using drones to photograph the illegals as they make their passage. The message they are trying to get back is - at least one of you is going to prison for illegal entry. If you pilot/skipper/helm the boat, it's going to be you. Boats don't tend to go anywhere without someone steering them. Illegal entry is s24, facilitation, is s25. The punishment for facilitation is much more severe and rightly the test is higher. s24, simply needs to prove that you are attempting to enter the UK illegally.

If some are being prosecuted, and others, equally guilty of the same offence, are not being prosecuted, that makes the prosecution random and discriminatory, unless the specific reasons for that prosecution are made known. And they don't appear to be, if they are only prosecuted under s24.

 

[Roy Bloom]

.... - that being the ruling of Justice Cavanagh in the preparatory hearing. His words are the key element of the ruling a...

And others have the sound of urban myth about them, based on irresponsible comments made by MPs, even PM, who ought to know better.

 

[denso13]

I appreciate you may not be familiar with how it works.

You could have chosen to post the Appeal. But you made a conscious decision not to. That's fine. Don't expect anyone to take anything you say at face value again.

I won't be playing gotcha again.

 

[denso13]

If some are being prosecuted, and others, equally guilty of the sme offence, are not being prosecuted,

The vast majority are not charged with anything at all. It is no deterrent.

 

[JP_]

Heard about the tragic way the Saudi's deal with immigrants on the radio this morning (blowing them up, mutilating, shooting, paralysing etc) and remembered that people here think we should do the same to those crossing the channel. We really don't want to be like Saudi Arabia!

 

[Roy Bloom]

The vast majority are not charged with anything at all. It is no deterrent.

Agreed, which is what makes those prosecuted the subject of random discrimination.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Heard about the tragic way the Saudi's deal with immigrants on the radio this morning (blowing them up, mutilating, shooting, paralysing etc) and remembered that people here think we should do the same to those crossing the channel. We really don't want to be like Saudi Arabia!

The UK continues to offer the hand of friendship to Saudi's rulers.
"Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has been invited to visit the UK, the Saudi Arabian embassy has told the BBC.
No 10 said it would confirm the prime minister's engagements in the usual way, with nothing in the diary yet.
A spokesperson said the prime minister looked forward to meeting the crown prince "at the earliest opportunity".
It would be the prince's first UK visit since the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in 2018."

Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman invited to visit UK

The trip, not yet confirmed, would be his first since the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

www.bbc.com

 

[denso13]

Agreed, which is what makes those prosecuted the subject of random discrimination.

Better than nothing. The supporters can then say "look, the new policy is working".

And then blame the French anyway.

 

[motorbiking]

If some are being prosecuted, and others, equally guilty of the same offence, are not being prosecuted, that makes the prosecution random and discriminatory, unless the specific reasons for that prosecution are made known. And they don't appear to be, if they are only prosecuted under s24.

How do you explain speeding offences, parking tickets, drink drivers etc. Only a fraction of those are prosecuted. It's your bad luck that the speed camera van video'd you speeding and didn't get a read of the number plate of the car behind who was going the same speed.

You must be aware of strict (restrictive) eligibility criteria for the application, and for the expected success of any such application.

Perhaps we should relax the criteria and open the door wider? How many would you like to see coming to the UK? 2X, 5X, 10X?