More deaths in the channel.

[JP_]

And then blame the French anyway.

Saw another report about the French. They are doing so much to stop people. One reporter even tried to take a route migrants take, but was caught in the sand dunes by the authorities. They are doing what they can, but it's an impossible task to cover the whole coast.

 

[denso13]

Perhaps we should relax the criteria and open the door wider? How many would you like to see coming to the UK? 2X, 5X, 10X?

How many will apply and what are their circumstances? I'll happily tell you then. 20m is just scaremongering.

 

[denso13]

They are doing so much to stop people

Maybe they could do more. I really don't know.

The problem is that some people think it is all down to others (the French, RNLI, etc) and nothing to do with the Government.

 

[denso13]

It's your bad luck that the speed camera van video'd you speeding and didn't get a read of the number plate of the car behind who was going the same speed.

But they are all in the same boat? It is nothing to do with luck, but choices.

 

[motorbiking]

But they are all in the same boat? It is nothing to do with luck, but choices.

thats not what those who defend the people being prosecuted say. They claim "we all took it in turns", "they forced me to do it", "I just happened to be sitting at the back".

The point is all run the risk of prosecution if they are suspected of steering the boat or having a hand in the navigation or organisation of the crossing. I've crossed the channel many times by boat albeit the longer route. I'd not expect my boat to get there without somebody steering it.

Maybe they could do more. I really don't know.

The problem is that some people think it is all down to others (the French, RNLI, etc) and nothing to do with the Government.

If you are going to blame someone, you need to have an idea of what you want them to do and if it will work.

 

[denso13]

The point is all run the risk of prosecution if they are suspected of steering the boat or having a hand in the navigation or organisation of the crossing.

And those that aren't suspected of that won't be prosecuted. They could be, but they aren't. By choice, not by luck.

I'd not expect my boat to get there without somebody steering it.

I don't know what you think these stupid comments add to the debate.

 

[motorbiking]

edit acknowledged.

 

[denso13]

If you are going to blame someone, you need to have an idea of what you want them to do and if it will work.

Already done it, several times. I'm sorry if it isn't to your liking, but there you go.

 

[motorbiking]

more safe and legal routes?


No idea of the impact on claims
No idea of the extra cost
No idea if it will create a new market for dodgy lawyers to manipulate claims
No idea if other countries will encourage people to apply to the UK when claiming asylum

It sounds like a great plan.

 

[denso13]

more safe and legal routes?

Yes.

I can explain the detail but your thumbs up, again, make you look childish. If you want a serious debate you need to act like a grown up.

 

[noseall]

you must be unaware that a successful claimant can extend the invite to his or her family lawfully.

I'm aware of the fact that you are super-reluctant to accept, that some (a small percentage) of these desperate people, do wish to get to the UK.

Germany, Turkey and France take many more than the UK.

 

[Roy Bloom]

thats not what those who defend the people being prosecuted say. They claim "we all took it in turns", "they forced me to do it", "I just happened to be sitting at the back".

The point is all run the risk of prosecution if they are suspected of steering the boat or having a hand in the navigation or organisation of the crossing. I've crossed the channel many times by boat albeit the longer route. I'd not expect my boat to get there without somebody steering it.

What happens to these people after they've been released.
I bet they're not returned.
So if their application is refused, base don their now criminal conviction, they're left to wander the streets, unable to work, denied public funds, unable to find accommodation, unable to feed yourself properly.

So they're fodder for slavery and crime.

 

[denso13]

So if their application is refused

Even for those (the vast majority) not charged with anything, it can take years. I don't know why it has to be so difficult.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Here is the approach I used:

1. How much do they spend on running the service each year? ~£180M
2. How many people did they save? 389
3 How many of these were illegals crossing the channel? 108
4 what is the average cost per life saved. (389 / £180m) £463k
5 Using the per life saved model we have a cost of £50m but that is way too simplistic.
6 Why don't we accept the per launch argument that it's just 3%? 9,312 launches £19,330 avg giving a figure of £5.6M? Not all launches cost the same. 56% of launches are for the lowest cost craft, B & D class and launches includes all training, patrols, sea trials etc. The B & D cost 1/10th and 1/20th of the cost of the all weather craft.
If we look at the all weather class boats stationed in the SE, we have a 146 saves of which 108 were illegals. Thats close to 74% and accounts for at least 20% off their costs even allowing a generous cost allocation to the B & Ds which are noise in the numbers.
7 Costs have increased £30M from 2021.

The 3% claim is therefore nonsense, designed to distract attention away from divisive activity, which is costing them donations.

you must be unaware that a successful claimant can extend the invite to his or her family lawfully.

So the Thames is still the hotspot?

Thought so

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The vast majority are not charged with anything at all. It is no deterrent.

MB won't say if he is misleading or just downright incorrect.

I don't think its misleading