The individuals concerned made decisions based on the concerns of the PO and not out of a personal remit.
Try not to wander off topic.
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Try not to wander off topic.
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How many more times?
"the PO"
- can't set policy
- can't make decisions
- "have concerns" (your words)
- can't take a dislike to anyone
- can't set out on a vendetta
People can and do all of the above.
People can, do and, in this case, appear to have done so.
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No you are still misunderstanding..
Imagine I am the prosecutor and you are the defendant. I say, plead guilty to these 10 charges of false accounting and I wont go after you for Fraud. Fraud is the more serious offence and will usually mean prison. I secretly know I have no evidence to support a prosecution that you committed fraud. Therefore I have deliberately misled you and possibly even coerced you in to pleading guilty to lessor charges. There is an argument that I have perverted the Course of justice in doing so.
I.e. the prosecutor (the private post office lawyer) has perverted the course of justice.
I would not want a pardon, (guilty but let off), in the SPMs shoes
They knew about flaws in the system and made a choice to hide the truth and prosecute the people concerned. How is this not a policy?
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The thing you are missing @Odds is that individuals made those decisions. That was either a decision to "make an example" to stop Horizon bashing, an instruction to someone else to do the same or simply a person took it on their own authority to do it.
When a person does wrong, the only defence is I was instructed to do this and did not have information to allow me to conclude this was wrong doing. If there is a culture encouraging this behaviour, then it's because individuals in leadership positions directly or indirectly encourage the culture.
Somebody writes the policy and somebody instructs them to do so and signs off on the policy.
When a person does wrong, the only defence is I was instructed to do this and did not have information to allow me to conclude this was wrong doing. If there is a culture encouraging this behaviour, then it's because individuals in leadership positions directly or indirectly encourage the culture.
Somebody writes the policy and somebody instructs them to do so and signs off on the policy.
Actually the lawyer would be working on what evidence he is given, and the evidence was from a faulty software program/supplier and the PO...
To think otherwise would be to consider any lawyer in any circumstance offering a plea bargain as possibly being a party to perverting the course of justice.
I agree about the pardon bit, but politicians usually manage to word what they do for maximum benefit from a bad situation...
Namely a quick (pre-election) gimmick and then kicking the can down the road for someone else to pick up...
Hope I'm wrong, but I would wager that right this moment a lot of thought is going into the prospect of setting a precedent!
And WHO made the policy?
WHO oversaw the continuing application of the policy?
Bricks and f###ing mortar?
A fleet of red vans?
A black-and-white cat even?
"Lessons will be learned".
(Sweep it under the carpet).
At taxpayers' expense.
Are you an MP?
History says you'll not be wrong.................
For once though, hopefully the real guilty will be held to account, and the SOP going forward will become "no cover ups; transparency; fairness for all"......
How about that for "setting a precedent"?
(Pigs will fly - backwards - first though)
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This is where there is a problem with Private prosecutions.
The CPS (public prosecutor) operate to a code (well they are supposed to) and this code states that their role is to prosecute based on fact in the interest of justice and to remain independant. We don't really do plea bargaining in the UK, but we do sometime accept a guilty plea to a lessor charge due to the risk and cost of trial for the more serious charge. It's nothing more than a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
But in the case of the PO, the private prosecutor had been supplied evidence that he failed to disclose to the defendant and this evidence showed there was no evidence of Fraud. It was therefore wrong to threaten a more serious charge, which he knew he had no evidence to support.
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History says you'll not be wrong.................
For once though, hopefully the real guilty will be held to account, and the SOP going forward will become "no cover ups; transparency; fairness for all"......
How about that for "setting a precedent"?
(Pigs will fly - backwards - first though)
If Fujitsu are found to have secretly accessed a live system and made changes without authorisation they will be on the hook. For everything else they will likely have a defence of their contract warranty. Either way, the Japanese tech market was up around 3% yesterday, except Fujitsu which was down 0.5%. I suspect this story will cost them around $300M in market cap.
Post Office scandal: Ministers consider options to speed up justice
Plans to fast-track appeals of those affected by IT scandal to be announced "very shortly", minister says.
www.bbc.co.uk
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If Fujitsu are found to have secretly accessed a live system and made changes without authorisation they will be on the hook. For everything else they will likely have a defence of their contract warranty. Either way, the Japanese tech market was up around 3% yesterday, except Fujitsu which was down 0.5%. I suspect this story will cost them around $300M in market cap.
Post Office scandal: Ministers consider options to speed up justice
Plans to fast-track appeals of those affected by IT scandal to be announced "very shortly", minister says.www.bbc.co.uk
Don't get me wrong: I'm not out for scapegoating or witch-hunting, only for accountability.
Something I really hate at my work are the people who want lauding when anything goes well, but develop very sloping shoulders (and pointy fingers) when things are not-so-rosey.....................
And it was PEOPLE at Fujitsu
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