Multiply that by 4 at least and bear in mind that’s no hands on experience either
New fuse box needed - would it be easier to become an electrician than employ one?
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Multiply that by 4 at least and bear in mind that’s no hands on experience either
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Why not? Seems straightforward to me. Otherwise I don't even know if what I'm being provided with is an improvement.
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OK, well then at least I need him to tell me exactly what he's fitting before he does it so I can then clear it with the landlord/insurers. Otherwise I run the risk of them going "Sorry this doesn't meet Regulation xyz, you need to redo it." Fit for purpose is very subjective. I consider the current unit to be fit for purpose, the landlord doesn't.
Yes, and whatever he says post it here.
No, it is not your responsibility. Leave it to the landlord.
Yes. So leave it to the landlord.
Keep it then.
There; that's that settled.
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Not sure what the link says, just get sorry firefox can not load that page.
But even the official goverment guide does not line up completely with the law. For fire 300 mA for persional protection 30 mA.
However as far as who does what, items like SPD can be refused by owner, as owner has to commission the work, my advise is don't get involved, not down to you.
But even the official goverment guide does not line up completely with the law. For fire 300 mA for persional protection 30 mA.
However as far as who does what, items like SPD can be refused by owner, as owner has to commission the work, my advise is don't get involved, not down to you.
Hum….. anything is better than that 40 year old board you have
A metal CU , with SPD and RCBOs …… is what sensible sparks install and most of us tend to stick with1 make, probably based on local availability from proper wholesalers or in my case with availability from 3 local wholesalers
Is the op renting a property and what did the last EICR say?
Your good with a full RCBO SPD board.
Commercial, industrial and most everything else that's not domestic - required
Domestic - risk assessment will indicate required or not, but that does NOT cover situations where overvoltage can be caused by things within the installation, so may be still be required even if the assessment says not.
If risk assessment is not done, required unless value of installation does not justify protection.
Installations with nothing of value worth protecting are exceptionally rare, as are those that don't have inductive or capacitive loads.
Commercial, industrial and most everything else that's not domestic - required
Domestic - risk assessment will indicate required or not, but that does NOT cover situations where overvoltage can be caused by things within the installation, so may be still be required even if the assessment says not.
If risk assessment is not done, required unless value of installation does not justify protection.
Installations with nothing of value worth protecting are exceptionally rare, as are those that don't have inductive or capacitive loads.
AIUI there's no LEGAL requirement to upgrade the existing installation.
It was regs-compliant at time of install.
There is probably little to no fire risk from that fusebox as it's made from a Bakelite type of plastic rather than thermosplastic that some later boxes were made from that could melt at far lower temperatures and feed in to a fire starting within a consumer unit. (Mind so will the plastic coatings of the cables to the circuits).
Do you own the Lease for this Property or rent the Property from the owner of said Lease? Is it the Freeholder of the Building (or his Managing Agent) that is trying to bamboozle you with this requirement, or your Landlord if you are a Tenant and rent? Get the request and reasoning behind it in writing?
Now in all fairness you would be very wise to consider updating that Consumer Unit with a modern one. Perhaps even sort out some extra circuits and rewiring. (e.g. add mains interlinked smoke alarms). That independent electrician has simply quoted for a modern equivalent of the current 4 way board. The maker is Hager. Each of the 4 circuits will now be Residual Current and Overload protected which is better than what you have now. Only the metal enclosure for the new consumer will affect the fire safety / spread --- and only if installed correctly with such matters in mind.
It was regs-compliant at time of install.
There is probably little to no fire risk from that fusebox as it's made from a Bakelite type of plastic rather than thermosplastic that some later boxes were made from that could melt at far lower temperatures and feed in to a fire starting within a consumer unit. (Mind so will the plastic coatings of the cables to the circuits).
Do you own the Lease for this Property or rent the Property from the owner of said Lease? Is it the Freeholder of the Building (or his Managing Agent) that is trying to bamboozle you with this requirement, or your Landlord if you are a Tenant and rent? Get the request and reasoning behind it in writing?
Now in all fairness you would be very wise to consider updating that Consumer Unit with a modern one. Perhaps even sort out some extra circuits and rewiring. (e.g. add mains interlinked smoke alarms). That independent electrician has simply quoted for a modern equivalent of the current 4 way board. The maker is Hager. Each of the 4 circuits will now be Residual Current and Overload protected which is better than what you have now. Only the metal enclosure for the new consumer will affect the fire safety / spread --- and only if installed correctly with such matters in mind.
Untrue^^
An example fused neutrals were once permissible. They are now illegal - as in unlawful, prohibited and proscribed. Even if the installation complied at the time of consutruction they still remain illegal and outlawed.
An example fused neutrals were once permissible. They are now illegal - as in unlawful, prohibited and proscribed. Even if the installation complied at the time of consutruction they still remain illegal and outlawed.
So why do you think this covenant made by me in the lease is invalid:
"24. Not to do or suffer to be done anything which shall or may make the Landlord's policy or policies of insurance on the Building or any part thereof void or voidable or which may render any increased premium or premiums to become payable and to repay to the Landlord the amount of any such increase payable as the result thereof and to indemnify the Landlord against any breach of this covenant"?
The Landlord says that he will tell the insurers that my fuse board is outdated and charge me any extra premium that they charge in respect of it (as they probably will), if I don't get it sorted. The fuse box is part of my flat, it's not part of the common parts. I'm still not sure whether you understand that I have the flat on a very long lease, and it's more akin to owning it than being a renter. But technically I have a lease subject to the landlord's ownership of the freehold.
So this is a leasehold flat you own and the freeholder (not landlord) is asking you to make improvements. So in the case of a block of flats common sense should apply and the improvement makes sense
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