New workers rights?

[Nwgs2]

Not sure what you are on about

I'm talking of uk employment rights versus EU.

Not me. Not any specific person.

Overall rights.

You accused mtb of wanting to exploit low paid workers.

From personal experience as a mechanic they are truly exploited !!

So if you employ mechanics, do you pay the standard hourly rate ?

You’ve got double standards sunshine

 

[transam]

I never imagined there were that many lackwits in the UK.
Quite a lot have died since the vote though. The rest probably don't even remember the referendum.

What referendum

 

[Mottie]

Mechanics are on low pay, they have the biggest outlay for tools.

I’ve still got all my boxes full of snap on.!

Mechanics are one step up pay wise from an Aldi employee. So who’s exploiting who ?

Mechanics are rare these days. People normally refer to fitters as 'mechanics'. All depends whether you’re working for yourself or somebody else but I suppose you could say that about any trade.

 

[Nwgs2]

Mechanics are rare these days. People normally refer to fitters as 'mechanics'. All depends whether you’re working for yourself or somebody else but I suppose you could say that about any trade.

I’ve just asked the lad who took over my dad’s Mot station. He said £500 a week

He obviously looks after them, but that’s a pathetic wage for the skills of a mechanic.

His lads can do it all.

I used to be a Kwik Fit fitter, the money was better, prospects better, and the job was easier.

 

[Mottie]

I’ve just asked the lad who took over my dad’s Mot station. He said £500 a week

He obviously looks after them, but that’s a pathetic wage for the skills of a mechanic.

I suppose I’m out of touch as I've not really been truly employed solely as a mechanic since about 1984!

His lads can do it all.

Should be working for themselves then.

 

[Nwgs2]

I suppose I’m out of touch as I've not really been truly employed solely as a mechanic since about 1984!

How much would in your opinion would a decent mechanic expect to earn nowadays ? With his/her 20k+ of tools ?

 

[Trazor]

With his/her 20k+ of tools ?

Won't take long to spend that on a Snap On Van.........

 

[Mottie]

How much would in your opinion would a decent mechanic expect to earn nowadays ? With his/her 20k+ of tools ?

Well firstly, they don’t 'need' £20k of SnapOn tools but many do like to own their very own 3 bed detached toolboxes! It all depends where in the country and whether working in a backstreet garage or a premium brand dealership I suppose. I'd say anywhere between £500-£1200 a week maybe. Don’t forget, employees get a regular wage plus holidays and sick pay. If they want more, they’ve got to go out and get it for themselves.

I’ve got a mate who works in a Lotus specialists. He is what I would call a really good mechanic and does everything that is thrown at him - he strips and rebuilds gearboxes and race engines etc. Paid comparatively poorly though. I’ve been telling him for years to go it alone but he says he hasn’t got the confidence and can’t deal with customers but prefers the security of being an employee.

 

[Nwgs2]

Well firstly, they don’t 'need' £20k of SnapOn tools but many do like to own their very own 3 bed detached toolboxes! It all depends where in the country and whether working in a backstreet garage or a premium brand dealership I suppose. I'd say anywhere between £500-£1200 a week maybe. Don’t forget, employees get a regular wage plus holidays and sick pay. If they want more, they’ve got to go out and get it for themselves.

I agree toolbox wise.

Only the elite earn 60k

 

[Mottie]

I wouldn’t advise any young lad to look for a career in the motor trade these days. After doing my apprenticeship, I more or less spent my whole working life around the motor trade. I bet someone starting out now wouldn’t be able to spend 50 years in the same trade.

 

[motorbiking]

Forgetting that we aren't in the EU anymore, so that benefit has gone.

Our employment rules are still catching up with most of the rest of Europe.

It's still going to be easier here than a lot in Europe. Too many scare stories going on. From people like you, who want to exploit people on low pay.

You are talking nonsense. Just because we have left the EU does not mean we are unable to operate businesses in the EU.

"Catching up" you still don't get that flexibility creates work opportunities.

In Germany for example, the work shy employee just needs to become a member of the workers council and he is protected. It can take 3 or 4 years to get rid of them. is this where you'd like the UK to go? All the other employees having to carry Mr Workshy.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You are talking nonsense. Just because we have left the EU does not mean we are unable to operate businesses in the EU.

"Catching up" you still don't get that flexibility creates work opportunities.

In Germany for example, the work shy employee just needs to become a member of the workers council and he is protected. It can take 3 or 4 years to get rid of them. is this where you'd like the UK to go? All the other employees having to carry Mr Workshy.

But you were telling us you'd be looking to employ in europe rather than the UK.

Our employment rights are, and still will be, much less onerous, and more flexible than most of Europe .

What I want, or not, is irrelevant, it's the facts that matter .

So it's you talking nonsense by trying to swerve, again

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I used to be a Kwik Fit fitter,

Personally, I wouldn't have made that public

 

[motorbiking]

I don't think you understand that the UK competes for investment with its neighbours and sometimes the rest of the world.

 

[blup]

That’s one of the concerns. Totally ridiculous that you can’t dismiss someone who can’t do the job they are employed to do. I reckon that’s just Kier covering his own arse!

He's got to keep the unions happy, would have thought bringing the period when protection starts back to 12 months would be sensible. Or applying tne new rules to employers with a minimum number of workers, say 20, so as to protect small businesses.