New workers rights?

[denso13]

Totally ridiculous that you can’t dismiss someone who can’t do the job they are employed to do

Except that you can.

 

[ajohn]

It's been considered a lot lately, i.e. her chucking it all in. She loves the kids and enjoys helping the less fortunate ones. It's the leadership that are the useless demanding cúnts. People like yourself.

My wife is much the same but now retired. A number of teachers still there are doing their best savings wise to get out of the profession as soon as possible. My wife stuck it out until she reached retirement age. Some have years to wait. Some teachers earlier on were offered excellent early retirement deal when the changes were announced and set to come. One of my cousins was one. She took it. Why, She had a near full time job as part of her duties. That work was taken away and generally given to senior full time pure teachers or even relative newbies.

When that change came about it regularly totally wrecked our social life. Other changes came and went. Some stuck.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The process will be entirely different with day 1 rights. It’s a really stupid idea and I think they will realise this.

Recruitment processes will take longer, businesses will look to hire in more flexible locations. UK Jobs in many sectors will end up in Ireland.

Unlikely. Just Tory panic.

Might make managers do their jobs better

 

[motorbiking]

opinion stated as fact

try for once taking a balanced view instead of making everything binary

These are currently proposals, not law and the government has stressed it intends to work in partnership with both employers and trade unions


the UK has significantly lower living standards than equivalent European economies and something has to change.

yes of course its my opinion.

It's also why, I don't base people in Belgium or Luxembourg.

OECD Better Life Index

www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org

We don't score too badly compared to other countries.

 

[motorbiking]

Except that you can.

would you rather be dragged through a process, made to jump hoops, you can't jump and given a letter telling you, you are crap or just called in to an office and told, you've been with us for 6 months, its not working out, we are terminating your contract with Notice.

 

[Brigadier]

Might make managers do their jobs better

Some neither care about being better, some are incapable of being better.
Some are both.

 

[ajohn]

Some of the factors may be to get around something I have noticed in shop assistants. Faces disappearing regularly when they have been around for some time. Not all just some. A factor I have always wondered about. Why?

 

[denso13]

I have noticed in shop assistants

They tend to be low hours contracts, used as a stopgap for people looking for something else. There is a high turnover of staff in some of those roles.

The proposed new rules won't change anything much.

 

[Murdochcat]

Problem with the Brexit debate is that what were the remain campaign saying ?

 

[ajohn]

They tend to be low hours contracts

I needed a late edit - some shops not all.Shops added. I had noticed that in some cases the period in the day they did work may change.

One of the most noticeable changes was a discount food store that had a limited number of shops around the UK. The change was after they were taken over by another similar company. Perhaps this owner only employ on the basis of low hour contracts. Zero hour is an entirely different subject.

One problem with all of this as far as a gov is concerned is that while it makes employed numbers look good lots need additional support. The Tory added the idea that 16hrs of work needed for that should be increased so set it to 18. I think that is in law?

Claimants - complications if their hours change. Ok that can be averaged over a period of time but the monitoring problem is still there. Is there a solution that would keep MBK happy? I doubt it. Things have to be balanced. Gains against losses.

 

[ajohn]

Yawn brexit again. It's done or haven't people noticed. Being for or against - tough things are as they are. Some one decides the didn't vote the way they should have - tough. It's done.

 

[Notch7]

We don't score too badly compared to other countries

comparing average income means FA

"The United Kingdom outperforms the average in income, jobs, education, social connections, safety and life satisfaction"


the UK is a poor country with a few uber wealthy people

Britain’s slow growth, together with its high inequality (the highest of any large European economy), has proved a toxic combination for low-and-middle income Britain. Poor households in Britain are now £4,300 worse-off than their French and German counterparts, leaving them struggling to cope when the cost-of-living crisis struck.

Britain needs a new economic strategy to end its stagnation and close its £8,300 living standards gap with its peers • Resolution Foundation

www.resolutionfoundation.org

 

[Notch7]

is that what were

eh?

 

[Lower]

The process will be entirely different with day 1 rights. It’s a really stupid idea and I think they will realise this.

Recruitment processes will take longer, businesses will look to hire in more flexible locations. UK Jobs in many sectors will end up in Ireland.

Businesses will create workarounds by putting people on fixed term or temporary contracts with regular review periods. Loads more cost and admin for the business, with much more stress and less job security for the employee. I understand the importance of job security to people, but personally i don't think there is much wrong with the current laws.

 

[denso13]

Problem with the Brexit debate is that what were the remain campaign saying ?

How?

I think the biggest problem is that remainers thought we would never vote to leave, so didn't think their vote was so important.