New workers rights?

[noseall]

I'm sure people can look up "the successes of Brexit" themselves.

It's a quick read.

 

[ajohn]

That is probably because you don't understand.

In larger businesses the risk of unfair dismissal cases does appear to put them off sacking people. Complicated area as actual working conditions and even changes in those may be seen as unfair when the case is actually tried.

 

[denso13]

In larger businesses the risk of unfair dismissal casea does appear to put them off sacking people.

That's the whole point of unfair dismissal legislation.

 

[Notch7]

as i said it has nothing at all with what any politician on either side said so i have not been lied to by either side .
You on the other hand said you voted because of what you were told and were too stupid to work thing out for your self

You won’t state the reason so you are lying.

 

[Nwgs2]

Try reading and understanding then.

I understand what you said.

I know better, long gone of the days when you can just get rid of someone. To “manage someone out of the business” takes time and has to be done correctly.

 

[denso13]

I know better, long gone of the days when you can just get rid of someone.

You can still do that if they deserve it, it's about where you draw the unfairness line. "Managing someone out" is finding reasons where there are none.

 

[Nwgs2]

You can still do that if they deserve it, it's about where you draw the unfairness line. "Managing someone out" is finding reasons where there are none.

You know for a fact unless is gross misconduct then the process takes an age.

We used to let HR deal with and it was a nightmare.

I agree you can get rid of staff who aren’t up to the role they are employed for. But it’s not easy, it’s getting harder and in some cases it’s almost impossible.

 

[motorbiking]

I suspect he doesn't and has no knowledge of Tribunals and employment law.

 

[denso13]

But it’s not easy

I still think you are missing the "unfair" bit. If someone deserves to go then they should go, if someone doesn't deserve to go then it shouldn't be easy to make them leave.

 

[ajohn]

That's the whole point of unfair dismissal legislation.

It leaves the problem that people who really should be sacked aren't. It all depends on the view point of the 2 sides. Things have slowly drifted this way over a number of years - a lot of years in some areas. You could go back to a time when some one was sacked now and again just to keep people in line. Pre WWII.
I feel managerial techniques and employment decisions relate to a lot of the "problems". Techniques evolve over time even in causing people to leave. Largely aimed at companies obtaining there max pounds of flesh from people. In some ways it's needed. Keeping them in line figures.

 

[Nwgs2]

I still think you are missing the "unfair" bit. If someone deserves to go then they should go, if someone doesn't deserve to go then it shouldn't be easy to make them leave.

No, I’m taking about people who deserve it.

You always twist it. It’s an unhealthy approach to things.

 

[motorbiking]

I still think you are missing the "unfair" bit. If someone deserves to go then they should go, if someone doesn't deserve to go then it shouldn't be easy to make them leave.

You are attaching the wrong meaning to "unfair".

Imagine you start a new job in a new company. They have different ways of doing things. It's very different and will take time for you to learn their processes and procedures. It's going to take you some time to become an effective and competent employee. Imagine it could even take you a year before you are firing on all cylinders.

Currently I can give you slack to get up to speed because I know within 2 years I can simply say - Its not really working out, here is your 3 months notice.

Under the new proposals I have to put you through a process. How hard will it be for you to pass the improvement/capability plan when you are still learning how we work.

So the result is I sack you due to poor performance and possibly without notice.

 

[denso13]

No, I’m taking about people who deserve it.

Then sack them. There is nothing stopping you.

 

[motorbiking]

sacking someone without following a process is unfair dismissal

 

[Nwgs2]

Then sack them. There is nothing stopping you.

You obviously don’t get involved in this side of things.

You’re tiresome