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Blunkett backed on asylum centres | Politics | The Guardian

Blunkett backed on asylum centres
Thinktank supports processing migrants outside EU borders


Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Tue 22 Apr 2003 09.33 BST


A leading leftwing thinktank has come out in support of home secretary David Blunkett's controversial plan to send all asylum seekers to processing centres outside the EU.

But Demos says in a study published today that the British government's plan for international transit processing centres is unlikely to work unless it is part of a comprehensive system to handle all those who want to come to Europe, including tourists and other visitors.

European commission officials have been asked to submit a detailed working paper on Mr Blunkett's radical scheme to deal with asylum seekers in time for the next European summit in June.

The idea of offshore processing centres has been floated at a time when Tony Blair has announced a commitment to halving the monthly total of asylum applications in Britain by September. The prime minister is believed to have met Downing Street and Home Office officials last Thursday to review progress.

The Demos report says a new international system is needed to undercut the flow of illegal migrants into Europe. It suggests that a network of EU "mobility service points" be set up where anybody travelling to Europe can register as a visitor, a migrant worker, a sponsored resident or a refugee.

The report, People Flow, suggests that everyone entering Europe would need to register and get a visa.

Visitors would have to provide proof of ability to cover their travel expenses; workers would need a job offer or to qualify under a points system; and sponsored residents would need to be vouched for by a naturalised citizen.

The report is jointly written by Theo Veenkamp, a former director-general of the Dutch asylum reception service, and Tom Bentley, director of Demos and a former special adviser to Mr Blunkett.

The pamphlet suggests that asylum seekers and other migrants who do not fit into the other categories should be sent to an international transit centre outside Europe where they would be given shelter while their applications were processed.

It suggests that while some transit centres would be in areas of upheaval and displacement, others would be at key locations on the borders of Europe or near transport hubs.

People would have to pay, possibly through loans or payment in kind, for the support they were given in the centres to send a powerful message to potential migrants about the level of welfare support they could expect if they left home.

Those who were recognised as refugees would swiftly get new passports and EU citizenship, while those who were rejected would be given help to return home.

"Governments are under increasing pressure to control immigration, which has become a lightning conductor for fears about security and terrorism threats," said Mr Veenkamp. "But increasing global mobility and the pressure on Europe's borders makes control impossible to achieve."

He said a new model was needed which acknowledged the complex reasons for migration and which helped people to make realistic decisions about their prospects in a different country before they left home.

 
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I had a smile when I heard a whiner on the radio. "It's not fair to send them somewhere they've never been".

So they've been popping over here for their holidays with the kids, the last few years, have they?


I don't have any suggestions for this one. I haven't voted.
Boats crossing the channel is not ok.
Any sort of quota system would see everyone taking more - certainly the uk.
...It would cause loads of problems.
No ID cards for these folk - not ok.
Leaving them to rot - not ok, but being too inviting is also not ok.
Responsibility should go to the aggressors - no chance.

Rwanda doesn't sound good but it might be a less bad option.
 
I had a smile when I heard a whiner on the radio. "It's not fair to send them somewhere they've never been".

So they've been popping over here for their holidays with the kids, the last few years, have they?


I don't have any suggestions for this one. I haven't voted.
Boats crossing the channel is not ok.
Any sort of quota system would see everyone taking more - certainly the uk.
...It would cause loads of problems.
No ID cards for these folk - not ok.
Leaving them to rot - not ok, but being too inviting is also not ok.
Responsibility should go to the aggressors - no chance.

Rwanda doesn't sound good but it might be a less bad option.

I have a smile on my face every time I read 'greedy grasping tory scum' on here or blaming brexit for a suggestion of something that's been bandied about for years by many countries and various political party's but it's only now being looked at with urgency because we are in crisis, a global crisis.
Make no mistake a scheme such as this would be a deterrent to asylum seekers who are clearly not genuine so would be beneficial to genuine asylum seekers.
 
Make no mistake a scheme such as this would be a deterrent to asylum seekers who are clearly not genuine so would be beneficial to genuine asylum seekers.
That's a definite plus, yes.
As far as I've seen, there's no provision for people with relatives here or English speakers with skills, to apply to come here, though. Huh??

Can we all agree, it's ok to take them as long as they're not

outcasts
exiles
pariahs
lepers
castaways
rejects
deportees
castoffs
offscourings
outlaws
outsiders
untouchables
waifs
derelicts
vagabonds
fugitives
strays
bums
hobos
rascals
recluses
tramps
vagrants
reprobates
wretches
gypsies
personae non gratae
black sheep
unpersons
anathemas
dropouts
aliens
saddos
expellees
expats
emigrants
maroons
outlanders
prodigals
migrants
renegades
nonpersons
colonials
tax exiles
ne'er-do-wells
bad apples
immigrants
bolters
lamsters
absconders
escapers
runagates
escapees
dodgers
runaways
truants
fly-by-nights
deserters
undesirables
walkouts
abscotchalaters


I mean, that wouldn't be very nice, would it?
 
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I had a smile when I heard a whiner on the radio. "It's not fair to send them somewhere they've never been".

So they've been popping over here for their holidays with the kids, the last few years, have they?


I don't have any suggestions for this one. I haven't voted.
Boats crossing the channel is not ok.
Any sort of quota system would see everyone taking more - certainly the uk.
...It would cause loads of problems.
No ID cards for these folk - not ok.
Leaving them to rot - not ok, but being too inviting is also not ok.
Responsibility should go to the aggressors - no chance.

Rwanda doesn't sound good but it might be a less bad option.
UK should sanction France until they sort out these illegal travel agents who are sending all these asylum shoppers across the channel.
 
Blunkett backed on asylum centres | Politics | The Guardian

Blunkett backed on asylum centres
Thinktank supports processing migrants outside EU borders


Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Tue 22 Apr 2003 09.33 BST


A leading leftwing thinktank has come out in support of home secretary David Blunkett's controversial plan to send all asylum seekers to processing centres outside the EU.

But Demos says in a study published today that the British government's plan for international transit processing centres is unlikely to work unless it is part of a comprehensive system to handle all those who want to come to Europe, including tourists and other visitors.

European commission officials have been asked to submit a detailed working paper on Mr Blunkett's radical scheme to deal with asylum seekers in time for the next European summit in June.

The idea of offshore processing centres has been floated at a time when Tony Blair has announced a commitment to halving the monthly total of asylum applications in Britain by September. The prime minister is believed to have met Downing Street and Home Office officials last Thursday to review progress.

The Demos report says a new international system is needed to undercut the flow of illegal migrants into Europe. It suggests that a network of EU "mobility service points" be set up where anybody travelling to Europe can register as a visitor, a migrant worker, a sponsored resident or a refugee.

The report, People Flow, suggests that everyone entering Europe would need to register and get a visa.

Visitors would have to provide proof of ability to cover their travel expenses; workers would need a job offer or to qualify under a points system; and sponsored residents would need to be vouched for by a naturalised citizen.

The report is jointly written by Theo Veenkamp, a former director-general of the Dutch asylum reception service, and Tom Bentley, director of Demos and a former special adviser to Mr Blunkett.

The pamphlet suggests that asylum seekers and other migrants who do not fit into the other categories should be sent to an international transit centre outside Europe where they would be given shelter while their applications were processed.

It suggests that while some transit centres would be in areas of upheaval and displacement, others would be at key locations on the borders of Europe or near transport hubs.

People would have to pay, possibly through loans or payment in kind, for the support they were given in the centres to send a powerful message to potential migrants about the level of welfare support they could expect if they left home.

Those who were recognised as refugees would swiftly get new passports and EU citizenship, while those who were rejected would be given help to return home.

"Governments are under increasing pressure to control immigration, which has become a lightning conductor for fears about security and terrorism threats," said Mr Veenkamp. "But increasing global mobility and the pressure on Europe's borders makes control impossible to achieve."

He said a new model was needed which acknowledged the complex reasons for migration and which helped people to make realistic decisions about their prospects in a different country before they left home.

A proposal put forward for an international scheme.


A proposal that would allow successful asylum seeker to come to Europe and UK

so not the same
 
UK should sanction France until they sort out these illegal travel agents who are sending all these asylum shoppers across the channel.

what makes you think France or any other country should take refugees while UK takes none.
 
what makes you think France or any other country should take refugees while UK takes none.
The majority of them don't enter France initially though, do they? They enter France via Italy and France very kindly waves them on towards Calais. Perhaps France should be more strict with who they let in?
 
A proposal put forward for an international scheme.


A proposal that would allow successful asylum seeker to come to Europe and UK

so not the same

It's exactly the same, processing claims outside of Europe and UK.
 
It's exactly the same, processing claims outside of Europe and UK.

Blair's attempt at similar was to cope with refugees from one particular country ;) well, that looks to be the case.

Rwanda is rather small 26k km^2 which is ~6k km^2 bigger than Wales population over 12.6m. One of the more densely populated countries. England is ~281 people / km^2. Rwanda 445. Subsistence farming seems to figure heavily.

On the other hand the intention is illegal entries only and some sort of camp in Yorkshire figures as well.
 
Make no mistake a scheme such as this would be a deterrent to asylum seekers
evidence says not

so would be beneficial to genuine asylum seekers
how?

UK does not have any legal routes for asylum seekers to come here



by the way the majority of those coming here by boat are genuine asylum seekers
 
It's exactly the same, processing claims outside of Europe and UK.
it is not the same

and there is a massive difference -it was a proposal put forward to the EU for discussion and it was rejected

the Tory govt are simply going ahead despite the fact it will fail
 
Some refugees stop in various countries. Some want to come to the UK, some don't. It's nice and easy to say it's all a particular europen countries problem but it isn't.

As of December 31, 2020, there were 455,295 refugees and persons under other forms of international protection in France, according to the French Office for the Protection of Refugees and Stateless Persons (OFPRA).

There will be more now.
 
1.24 million refugees
In the middle of 2021, Germany reported almost 1.24 million refugees and 233 000 asylum seekers, making it the biggest host country for refugees in Europe. Half of the refugees are from Syria. Germany also hosts 27 000 stateless persons.
 
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