Out of Repect I ask Remainers to Refrain from posting in this thread

Are orders bad?

Would you like to share the roads with people who disregard orders?

How about if I fancy having some of the goods in your house - if orders are bad should I disobey the ones that tell me I mustn't just break in and take them?

When we leave the EU we can also scrap Building Regulations and allow cowboy builders to just throw up cheap and dangerous homes and extensions again. That's what we want, right? Kick out the bureaucrats, burn the rule books, make more money!
 
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In reality probably about 1% of those voting had any real understanding of the EU.

Most probably made an emotional decision, no better than flipping a coin.

I regret voting to leave as I admit it wasnt based on an informed opinion, however I doubt if I was any different to the majority.

I bet the vast majority of the population arent interested in learning more about the EU, nor have an open discussion about it.

Both remainers and leavers are now in entrenched positions -so not many people will be changing their minds.

Festive for example isnt changing his mind -but who can blame him, the posters on here are mostly sarcastic rather than offering persuasive arguments.

Remainers arent really interested in accepting the concerns that exist about immigration, nor do they want to listen to valid concerns about the trajectory of the EU
That's one hell of a list of bizarre claims*...

Care to show us any proof of how those listed actually think?

*apart from of course you not understanding the question...

And festive refuses to acknowledge the bleeding obvious!
 
In reality probably about 1% of those voting had any real understanding of the EU.

Both remainers and leavers are now in entrenched positions -so not many people will be changing their minds.

Remainers arent really interested in accepting the concerns that exist about immigration, nor do they want to listen to valid concerns about the trajectory of the EU
A few of your points I would pick up on.
Remainers, apparently, are more highly educated than Leavers. Therefore any assumption that might be applied to one group does not necessarily transfer to the other group.

The entrenched position argument is acceptable and recognised. But sufficient numbers may have changed their mind to tilt the balance. I recognise that you are now a Remainer, indicating that there has been some change of minds.

The Lib-Dems do recognise that the EU is not perfect and want some changes, as do most other pro-EU UK parties, (and other EU parties).
 
Remainers, apparently, are more highly educated than Leavers. Therefore any assumption that might be applied to one group does not necessarily transfer to the other group

Thats certainly true, remainers are likely to be young people with non vocational degrees, watch love island and no life experience.

There are also remainers that bang on endlessly about definitions of race and racism -there was one one forum quite recently :ROFLMAO:
 
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remainers are likely to be young people
That is not necessarily true. The average young voter is less likely to vote. It is also true that any voter is more likely to be older.
Therefore Remain voters could be any age. Although it could be argued that young people are more likely to vote Remain, it doesn't follow that they actually did so.
Just because one causal relationship is true, does not mean that the reverse is automatically true. The sun warms the earth, but the earth does not warm the sun or reduce the sun's heat, etc.

It also true that young people are more likely to be more highly educated. Their educational achievements are immaterial, unless you consider non-vocational degree holders to be less highly educated than vocational degree holders. Which does not make much sense. All degree qualifications are judged to be equal in terms of educational achievement.
You can, of course, apply a judgmental opinion of them, as in having an excessively critical opinion of them. Which you appear to have done so.

TV viewing preferences and life experiences can give rise to biased or overly-influenced decisions. That applies to older and younger voters.
I would assume that Love Island, does not influence viewers politically, does it?
Life experiences can give rise to negative as well as positive experiences.

As to your comment about Remainers and racism, it is a recognised fact that anti-immigration was a major factor in the decision of Leave voters. Leave politicians made much political capital in influencing those voters, even to the point of presenting unsupportable and dishonest propaganda.
So it is not surprising in the least if there has been much debate about it, and much dissatisfaction from Remain voters.
 
The most vocal and active remainer I know is about 75. Some old people remember what a divided Europe can lead to, especially one with far right movements and anti-religion becoming acceptable. And some also remember how bloody poor we all were.

Farage is in Brentwood later today, already journalists and photographers are gathering up the road. I could change the future, and make myself famous ... hmmm....
 
What orders do you currently have to take which you won't if we leave?
It depends if any get repealed, we wont have to take any more.

Are orders bad?
If the majority disagree and are hindered or unfairly penalised then they are bad.

So are we.
Well stone the crows, Captain obvious has stated, well, the obvious. If you care to read the whole thread you may get the gist of what I was saying.
 
That is not necessarily true. The average young voter is less likely to vote. It is also true that any voter is more likely to be older.
Therefore Remain voters could be any age

Simply wrong old bean.

Despite claims that young people could not be bothered to vote, they did. In fact, turnout was 64% among 18-24 year olds and 65% among 25-39 year old, which is closer to the population average than could have been expected. 71% of people aged18-24 voted to remain in the EU, and 62% of 25-39 year old's
 
When we leave the EU we can also scrap Building Regulations and allow cowboy builders to just throw up cheap and dangerous homes and extensions again.
Like some councils already do. They turn a blind eye until the sh1t hits the fan (Grenfell). We will be able to put into place more rigorous regulations after leaving, also be able to scrap CE markings and just have "Kite Marks".
 
We will be able to put into place more rigorous regulations after leaving

That's an interesting opinion.

Please tell us your examples where our membership of the EU has prevented us, for example, from having better fire protection regulations.

you mention Grenfell.

Do you think that the UK Housing Ministers attempted to outlaw the flammable cladding, and were prevented from doing so by membership of the EU? Where did you get that idea?

Who is the man mentioned below? An EU official? Or a British Conservative politician?

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