Panorama - The Smart Meter mess

motorbiking · 2024-11-14T10:23:04+0000

denso13 said:
How many have been switched in the last year, smart meters and dumb meters?

noseall said:
It matters not. The power company won't just arbitrarily switch either meter. It makes no odds which one you have, in that respect.

or you could do some research..

Millions left in the cold and dark as someone on a prepayment meter cut off every 10 seconds, reveals Citizens Advice

New analysis from the charity reveals the stark reality for people who pay for their energy through a prepayment meter

www.citizensadvice.org.uk

Energy firms remotely swap homes to prepay meters

The regulator said some "vulnerable customers had been left without power for days or even weeks".

www.bbc.co.uk

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2022/11/smart-meter-prepayment-switched-remotely-rights/

denso13 · 2024-11-14T10:26:40+0000

motorbiking said:
or you could do some research..

Millions left in the cold and dark as someone on a prepayment meter cut off every 10 seconds, reveals Citizens Advice

New analysis from the charity reveals the stark reality for people who pay for their energy through a prepayment meter

www.citizensadvice.org.uk

Energy firms remotely swap homes to prepay meters

The regulator said some "vulnerable customers had been left without power for days or even weeks".

www.bbc.co.uk

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2022/11/smart-meter-prepayment-switched-remotely-rights/

Anecdotes.

How many were actually switched to pre-payment, smart meters and dumb meters, in the last year?

motorbiking · 2024-11-14T10:30:46+0000

seems I can take the horse to water.. but in your case it pretends its not water and complains its still thirsty.

Citizens Advice spoke to 27,521 people in 2022 who couldn’t top up their prepayment meter, which is more than the whole of the previous ten years combined.
Based on Ofgem figures and average UK household size, Citizens Advice estimates that 600,000 people were forced onto a prepayment meter because they couldn't afford their energy bills in 2022, compared to 380,000 in 2021.
The estimate for 2022 (600,000 moved to a prepayment meter) is based on Ofgem data for Q1, Q2 and Q3 on the number of electricity meters changed to prepayment mode (traditional and smart) due to debt. We have used electricity meters as a proxy for the number of households and this is multiplied by the average UK household size to get our estimate for the number of people. Data for Q4 2022 is not available yet, so we have assumed that Q4 will be the same as Q3 2022 - the most recent available data from Ofgem. We have also assumed that Q1 of 2023 will be the same as Q3 2022.

denso13 · 2024-11-14T10:32:05+0000

In Scotland it seems you are less likely to be switched if you have a smart meter. Doh.....

Tens of thousands forced onto pay as you go energy against their wishes

www.cas.org.uk

denso13 · 2024-11-14T10:33:57+0000

motorbiking said:
seems I can take the horse to water.. but in your case it pretends its not water and complains its still thirsty.

You claim it's water, but have no real clue if it is or not.

motorbiking · 2024-11-14T10:37:13+0000

denso13 said:
In Scotland it seems you are less likely to be switched if you have a smart meter. Doh.....

Tens of thousands forced onto pay as you go energy against their wishes

www.cas.org.uk

Doesn't appear to support your assessment. In fact the reverse.

denso13 · 2024-11-14T10:37:52+0000

motorbiking said:
on the number of electricity meters changed to prepayment mode (traditional and smart) due to debt.

Doh...

motorbiking · 2024-11-14T10:40:20+0000

denso13 said:
Doh...

You do realise you need to read all of it.

Companies have also used a ‘back door’ approach, but switching smart meters into pay as you go meters. In these cases around 17,952 have seem their meter changed without their consent and around 12,000 for gas.

denso13 · 2024-11-14T10:40:35+0000

motorbiking said:
Doesn't appear to support your assessment. In fact the reverse.

23,936 dumb meters, 17,952 smart meters, for electricity? Lol, ok...

motorbiking · 2024-11-14T10:43:40+0000

Did it occur to you to check the ratio of smart meters to dumb meters? Further did it occur to you to validate the demographic.

gas112 · 2024-11-14T10:47:41+0000

noseall said:
It matters not. The power company won't just arbitrarily switch either meter. It makes no odds which one you have, in that respect.

Saying things like "you do realise they can switch remotely" is irrelevant. The power company must follow the same strict pre-switch guidelines for both meters

What bit of customers not letting people in when protocols have been followed are you struggling with that then needs escalating to ballifs, court orders , warrant visit etc etc

denso13 · 2024-11-14T10:50:01+0000

motorbiking said:
Did it occur to you to check the ratio of smart meters to dumb meters?

There are more smart meters in the UK than dumb meters by quite a margin.

motorbiking · 2024-11-14T10:51:47+0000

denso13 said:
There are more smart meters in the UK than dumb meters by quite a margin.

Nope - when that article was written, that wasn't the case and in Scotland where you claim its different, the roll out has been slower.

denso13 · 2024-11-14T10:51:51+0000

gas112 said:
What bit of customers not letting people in when protocols have been followed are you struggling with that then needs escalating to ballifs, court orders , warrant visit etc etc

And yet you have no actual figures. In Scotland, at least, dumb meters are switched more often than smart meters.

motorbiking · 2024-11-14T10:52:37+0000

denso13 said:
And yet you have no actual figures. In Scotland, at least, dumb meters are switched more often than smart meters.

if you ignore the data

Panorama - The Smart Meter mess

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