Panorama - The Smart Meter mess

[denso13]

Nope

Yup, the article was 2024, here is the 2023 roll out.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65fc3d0a65ca2f001b7da7c5/Q4_2023_Smart_Meters_Statistics_Report.pdf

 

[denso13]

if you ignore the data

You have posted no relevant data. What are the numbers, dumb vs smart?

 

[motorbiking]

Yup, the article was 2024, here is the 2023 roll out.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65fc3d0a65ca2f001b7da7c5/Q4_2023_Smart_Meters_Statistics_Report.pdf

you need to go back another year.

 

[denso13]

you need to go back another year.

Here we go....

 

[motorbiking]

Here we go....

where?

 

[denso13]

Round and round...

 

[motorbiking]

is there where I call you stupid and you say ad hom noted.

You simply have to back up your claim, if you can.

 

[denso13]

You simply have to back up your claim, if you can.

It is others who are implying you can be switched or disconnected using a smart meter for no good reason, not me. No one has produced any figures to show this is indeed the case.

 

[motorbiking]

It is others who are implying you can be switched or disconnected using a smart meter for no good reason, not me. No one has produced any figures to show this is indeed the case.

I don't think they have.

I think the argument is that the energy supplier can switch you to a pre-pay without any external scrutiny. Since they need an order from a magistrate to forcibly enter you property and obviously a physical visit on a dumb meter, the process is much harder.

Smart meter:
- follow the process for debt recovery, switch to pre-pay, customer self terminates.

Dumb meter
- follow the process for debt recovery, obtain a court order for forced entry, magistrate checks you've followed the process (rejects if you haven't) order issued.

I think you can see which is easier, surely?

 

[gas112]

And yet you have no actual figures. In Scotland, at least, dumb meters are switched more often than smart meters.

I'm not going to argue with you about something being dumb as you win hands down there

 

[denso13]

I think you can see which is easier, surely?

So what? It isn't reflected in the figures.

I don't think they have.

I disagree.

you are more likely to be disconnected with an INTERNAL SM simply because the actual switching off is easier done remotely

 

[denso13]

I'm not going to argue with you about something being dumb as you win hands down there

There goes another rib...

 

[motorbiking]

So what? It isn't reflected in the figures.

I disagree.

You haven't established that you are more likely to be switched on a dumb meter than a smart meter as you claim.

You ignore that at the time of citizens advice article there were more dumb meters than smart meters. You also haven't looked at the demographic of those with either.

denso13 said:
It is others who are implying you can be switched or disconnected using a smart meter for no good reason

aveatry said:
you are more likely to be disconnected with an INTERNAL SM simply because the actual switching off is easier done remotely

Where did he say "for no good reason"

Do you disagree with the process?

Smart meter:
- follow the process for debt recovery, switch to pre-pay, customer self terminates.

Dumb meter
- follow the process for debt recovery, obtain a court order for forced entry, magistrate checks you've followed the process (rejects if you haven't) order issued.

 

[denso13]

You haven't established that you are more likely to be switched on a dumb meter than a smart meter as you claim.

I'm saying there is no evidence to support the opposite view. That is my claim.

There is no evidence to suggest that having a Smart Meter makes you more likely to be switched or disconnected. Simples...

Where did he say "for no good reason"

Here we go...

 

[motorbiking]

I'm saying there is no evidence to support the opposite view. That is my claim.

There is no evidence to suggest that having a Smart Meter makes you more likely to be switched or disconnected. Simples...

Apart from the process and the outcry from consumer charities dealing with claims and the regulator stepping in to apply more control?

Here we go...

Yep your normal MO coming through.