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[Nwgs2]

It doesnt

93% of people in small boats claim asylum

So you continue to be totally wrong

Of the ones “Detected” Notchy!!

Keep up old bean.

 

[aveatry]

The majority of boat people who applied for asylum were accepted as genuine. Pretty clear evidence.

You can’t obtain asylum without providing evidence of who you are and where you come from.
So the asylum process tells us

So according to you two then the majority of them come over with their ID - is it just a RWR/ right-wing racists myth then that they throw all ID overboard in the channel.

 

[Nwgs2]

So according to you two then the majority of them come over with their ID - is it just a RWR/ right-wing racists myth then that they throw all ID overboard in the channel.

Don’t ask them how many just vanish once they land!

The figures won’t suit the narrative they fail to push.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It is a very low bar, and they have to give the benefit of the doubt, all you need is a plausible story and the wit to have misplaced all of your paperwork (it fell off the dingy into the channel)

Lets think of a possible scenario - I'm gay and my country has a history of defenestration for men such as I - OK application granted -

a month later, 'I need to bring my family over, I have a right to a family life' - OK would this be for you boy friend' - 'No my 19 children, my 3 wives their siblings and cousins' - 'but you said you were gay' - 'It was just a phase i went through' OK we will arrange the tickets and a few streets of houses, welcome to Britain

If it was that simple there wouldn't be any delays in processing then.

 

[Munroast]

If it was that simple there wouldn't be any delays in processing then.

is that not a reflection on the work ethic of the public sector ?

seriously, what is there to say if someone claims to be gay and from a country where gays are persecuted? (and all their documentation is lost in the channel)

You can only take their word for it. and I suspect it is the same for most asylum claims, you just need a plausible story. And could this explain why such a high percentage get through? It seems like an IQ test to me.

 

[aveatry]

is that not a reflection on the work ethic of the public sector ?

seriously, what is there to say if someone claims to be gay and from a country where gays are persecuted? (and all their documentation is lost in the channel)

You can only take their word for it. and I suspect it is the same for most asylum claims, you just need a plausible story. And could this explain why such a high percentage get through? It seems like an IQ test to me.

Yep its still not been explained how their asylum claims get approved if they have no proof of who they are or where they are from - do we just take their word for it or is it a RWR (right wing racist) lie that they throw their documentation overboard.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yep its still not been explained how their asylum claims get approved if they have no proof of who they are or where they are from - do we just take their word for it or is it a RWR (right wing racist) lie that they throw their documentation overboard.

Why is there any delay in processing then, if there is nothing to process ?

 

[Munroast]

Yep its still not been explained how their asylum claims get approved if they have no proof of who they are or where they are from - do we just take their word for it or is it a RWR (right wing racist) lie that they through their documentation overboard.

it would be interesting to know how the claims procedure is conducted. We can't expect anyone running away from persecution or a war torn country to have documentation, it is reasonable to assume they won't. So all they can present is a story, it must simply be a case of do we believe them or not! may be they repeat the same questions every few months and see if the answers are the same.

 

[aveatry]

Why is there any delay in processing then, if there is nothing to process ?

That didn't answer my question did it.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

That didn't answer my question did it.

Who ACTUALLY knows the real answer to whether theey throw documentation away?

But they cant claim asylum without proof, as I understand it.

 

[martygturner]

Yep its still not been explained how their asylum claims get approved if they have no proof of who they are or where they are from - do we just take their word for it or is it a RWR (right wing racist) lie that they throw their documentation overboard.

No we don't those without documentation are held until their identity can be proved, mostly this involves checking with the French who have a pretty good id service, to access any french services for an asylum or refuges must present their ID card, the french have the same system as us, no id , then immigration detention until your id is proved.

see https://righttoremain.org.uk/toolkit/detention/ which gives the other side view so to speak but breaks down the process.

Oh and by the way from the last report 98% (2022) show up with ID as they know that they will be detained without it and that as the process is so long winded they could be in effectively prison for years.... there was a case of an Afgan that had no id that had been locked up for 5 years...

 

[Notch7]

Of the ones “Detected” Notchy!!

Keep up old bean.

Which is the vast majority

93% apply for asylum.

Small boats don't arrive here undetected most get met by coast guard.

Given that there are about 800,000 people who are visa overstayed, the few that disappear from Small boats....almost certainly trafficked into crime aren't of much consequence

Back to the drawing board for you Old Bean

 

[denso13]

Yep its still not been explained how their asylum claims get approved if they have no proof of who they are or where they are from

They don't get approved. You've obviously reading the wrong info.

 

[Munroast]

Who ACTUALLY knows the real answer to whether theey throw documentation away?

But they cant claim asylum without proof, as I understand it.

although I may appear to be arguing for the other side here - I think it is entirely reasonable for someone who has escaped from some ****hole, war torn country not to have any documentation. (do you have any utility bills?) it is entirely reasonable they may just have a story. And it is only reasonable for us to start from a position of trust.

But saying all that, it is also very reasonable to assume, some / many / most will have a well rehearsed story, a story that ticks all those boxes that grant them access to our wonderful and generous country.
And those on here who believe 90+% are genuine and not economic migrants are wildly unrealistic

 

[aveatry]

Then if I was a gay escaping a muslim country for my life I would make dam sure I was not going to give my chosen flee-to country any reason not approve my asylum, I would be wanting to carry proof of where I was from. So I would expect 100% of gays fleeing muslim countries but not war torn to be carrying ID.