People who only believe lies.

[EFLImpudence]

He can't be, can he? He sympathises with the Palestinians.

 

[Notch7]

I can see. I didn't say there is no problem. Just, it is liekly no worse than seen in other political parties.
But that still doesn't mean Corbyn is an anitsemite.

Israel is a successful capitalist country and Jewish people are often excellent business men. Corbyn is anti capitalism.

Corbyn appeared on press tv and Iran is definitely anti semitic.
Corbyn supported keeping that mural and wrote a forword in that book.
Corbyn has visited Palestine a few times, but he has never been to Israel

Whilst Corbyn is not anti semitic, his actions do rather indicate where his interests lie and explain why anti semitism has grown in the Labour party.

The same argument applies to his approach on brexit -he thinks the EU is capitalist, thus he is anti EU and is a brexiteer so he wont come out and campaign as a remain party.

 

[JP_]

but he has never been to Israel

Technically he has been to Isreal, although not to drink tea with the Israeli PM.

He has been critical of Israel. Any country that bombs it's neighbours and steals their land should be criticised. To turn a blind eye and provide no support to those who are suffering at the hands of an aggressive neighbour is not very humane. He was able to take this diplomatic approach because he was not in the political limelight at the time.

But you cannot take this to mean he hates Jews. That leap is like saying I hate all Christians because I disagree with Conservative policy on the NHS, welfare and education. It's a cheap way to slander a politician.

This map explains why so many people are critical of Isreal:

It's not much fun for those forced out of their homes, made homeless refugees. Some people need to speak up for their rights - and they are not all terrorists, a majority are just normal people like us wondering what the hell went wrong. Some people do fight back when all else is lost, they are called terrorists.

Any politician that openly criticises Israel is labelled an anti-Semite. And I think this is the key problem labour has - they decided in their policy that the criticism of Israeli foreign policy should not mean anti-Semitism, so that the troubles over there can be discussed and one day resolved.

And, not all Jews agree with the British right wing press either.

 

[motorbiking]

Personally I think its more sinister than that. They see more votes by chasing the Muslim vote than the Jewish vote and don't see a way of chasing both. Perhaps they should have a people's vote on this policy also?

 

[Notch7]

Personally I think its more sinister than that. They see more votes by chasing the Muslim vote than the Jewish vote and don't see a way of chasing both.

I have heard that argument, not sure if it has any truth in it, but there are 3 million Muslims and 300,000 Jewish people in the UK.

 

[Notch7]

Technically he has been to Isreal, although not to drink tea with the Israeli PM.

He has been critical of Israel. Any country that bombs it's neighbours and steals their land should be criticised. To turn a blind eye and provide no support to those who are suffering at the hands of an aggressive neighbour is not very humane. He was able to take this diplomatic approach because he was not in the political limelight at the time.

I understand that, but I would say that anti semitism is a problem in the Labour party -which has only happened since Corbyn has been leader.

Yes I stand corrected Corbyn has been to Israel -but to see Hamas

In East Jerusalem the lawmakers met three senior Hamas members, Ahmad Attoun, Khaled Abu-Arafah, and Muhammad Totah, who were staging a protest in the Red Cross building as Israel attempted to deport them to the West Bank for their involvement with the terror group.

The MEMO description of the visit details the many accounts of “crimes” of the “Israeli occupation” including home demolitions, “ethnic cleansing,” and “apartheid” that the MPs heard at every stop they made. They also learned about the importance of the BDS boycott against Israel and were urged to support it.

Following the visit, Corbyn summarized what he had learned in his regular column in the left-wing Morning Star newspaper.

“It is time to bring those Israelis who committed crimes against humanity to account and to end the EU Israel Trade Agreement while the occupation and settlement policy continues,” he wrote, according to the report.

From the detailed 47-page MEMO report of the visit, it appears that the delegation did not meet with any Jewish Israelis during the four days.

A spokesperson for the Labour Party defended the trip, telling i24News it showed Corbyn’s commitment to peace
https://www.timesofisrael.com/corbyn-met-terror-leaders-but-not-jews-on-trip-to-israel-in-2010/

Given that Corbyn did not visit anybody in Israel that as suffered as a result of Hamas terrorism, I would argue that corbyns commitment to peace is somewhat partisan

I believe Corbyns socialist ideology means he is sympathetic to Palestine but does not extend to actively preventing anti semitism in his party.

A great deal of Corbyns criticism regarding anti semitism comes from within the Labour party and from the Jewish community -no doubt some of that is politically driven rather than genuine, but there seems too many people that believe there is a problem to discount all of it.

 

[ellal]

“It is time to bring those Israelis who committed crimes against humanity to account and to end the EU Israel Trade Agreement while the occupation and settlement policy continues,”.

Do you disagree with that?

After all, that's what the west has done repeatedly when an Arab/Muslim country behaves in a similar fashion...

Sanctions seem a one sided affair when it comes to the ME!

 

[JP_]

but I would say that anti semitism is a problem in the Labour party -which has only happened since Corbyn has been leader.

But how can this happen? Even if you believe Corbyn is an anti-Semite (which is a crime in the UK, and if there was evidence, he would not be leader), then why would more labour members become anti-semitic? Has he been actively encouraging it in secret meetings?

Remember, The Select Committee in 2016 concluded that "...there exists no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party."

More than that though, "In 2015, 2016 and 2017, the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) commissioned YouGov to survey British attitudes towards Jews.[89] The 2017 survey found that 30% of supporters of the Liberal Democrats endorsed at least one "antisemitic attitude", as defined by the CAA, compared with 32% of Labour supporters, 39% of UK Independence Party (UKIP) supporters and 40% of Conservative Party supporters." The Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) own research shows that Conservative, along with UKIP, show more anti-semitic tendency than labour.

Funny, as it is the same group that is pictured above with the "For the many, not the Jew" slogan - their own studies show that labour are not the biggest problem. And the Conservatives have somehow got away with it ... some unpleasant reading here.

It really is a mess. But it is being used as a political propaganda tool to make people distrust labour - this is classic right wing tactics to gaining political power.

 

[EFLImpudence]

"antisemitic attitude", as defined by the CAA,

Perhaps that is the problem.

Use a definition which means what is being discussed.

 

[durhamplumber]

because the whole thing was made up by the press?

If you are telling me that as a fact, why have a question mark at the end?.And how do you know the press made it up?

 

[Notch7]

But how can this happen? Even if you believe Corbyn is an anti-Semite (which is a crime in the UK, and if there was evidence, he would not be leader), then why would more labour members become anti-semitic? Has he been actively encouraging it in secret meetings?

it can happen because Labour has been taken over by the hard left, who ideologically are anti Israel, and whilst that is not anti semitic, it creates an environment where anti semitism can flourish.

As I said, look at Corbyns actions. If he is a peacemaker why has he not visited areas in Israel where Hamas terrorists have killed and maimed innocent Jewish people -thats the reality, a peacemaker would want to see both sides. And why has Corbyn been on press TV -Iran is a country of holocaust denial -Israel is their enemy.

Dont get me wrong, anti semtism is used by the moderate labour PLP and of course Tories to get at Corbyn.
Clearly anti semitism exists in the Tory party as well.
But to me, there is far too much evidence to dismiss this as merely a smear campaign against Corbyn.

The equality watchdog is now investigating
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/inquiries-and-investigations/investigation-labour-party

 

[Ryler]

a peacemaker would want to see both sides.

Corbyn has never expressed sympathy with victims of the IRA. Thats because he supports the IRA.
Nasty piece of work corbyn. Incredible that he is leader of a major political party in the UK.

 

[motorbiking]

But how can this happen? Even if you believe Corbyn is an anti-Semite (which is a crime in the UK, and if there was evidence, he would not be leader)

Please quote the law which makes this so.

 

[JP_]

Please quote the law which makes this so.

I've not read law, so have no idea. But the government campaign states clearly "it's not just offensive, it's an offence".

 

[JohnD]

In English law, in almost* all cases, it is not an offence to think, believe or imagine something; or not to do so.

However it may be an offence to perform an illegal act.

*except, for example, the the Treason Act of 1800 and, arguably, the Test Act of 1673.