Phev batteries

[JohnD]

... Something just popped up on my news that Toyota will be factory refurbishing ex lease EV cars to give them second and even third lives....

if, as I expect will happen, batteries get yearly cheaper, more powerful, and lighter, two-year old cars could become really good buys with a later battery fitted, and the materials from the old one recycled. It's also being said that old batteries can be sold to homes with solar panels, where their weight and size won't matter.

Refurb factories fitting, say, new seats and interior trim, renovating the paintwork, and swapping batteries, could be much smaller, cheaper and less hi-tech than other car factories

 

[norseman]

Refurb factories fitting, say, new seats and interior trim, renovating the paintwork, and swapping batteries, could be much smaller, cheaper and less hi-tech than other car factories

Even cheaper than that, can't see a two year old (or even 3 to 5) needing a new interior, unless of course Toyotas' build quality is going the same way as a lot of consumer goods are this century.

 

[JohnD]

Toyota continue to be renowned for reliability and build quality

renewing worn interiors and paintwork could make the refurbs look like new

except for countries like UK which display the year of registration on the number plate to shame owners of used cars

 

[norseman]

Toyota continue to be renowned for reliability and build quality
renewing worn interiors and paintwork could make the refurbs look like new except for countries like UK which display the year of registration on the number plate to shame owners of used cars

The concept is interesting, may bring EV ownership to those who are unable to afford new.

 

[IT Minion]

https://fullycharged.show/episodes/nissan-leaf-review-after-10-years/

I think this is the episode where Robert Lewellyn replaces his battery in his 10 year old Nissan leaf.

Edit: nope, here.

 

[Ihavenojob]

I've been watching a few YouTube videos about EV's. One had a guy getting his battery pack replaced under warranty on his Tesla. Tesla give an 8 year (strange figure) warranty on the battery, his was 7 1/2 years old, but they swapped the battery pack with no quibbles. They used re manufactured batteries, and if he'd have had to pay, it would have been around £22k.

 

[empip]

One way to go... this video gets pretty good, once you become comfortable with the exuberant voice. Fast forward to 3mins 25sec.

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[reds42]

There have been quite a few studies on the lifetime emissions of ICE vs BEV showing that overall BEV produce less emissions.

This was a whitepaper published by The International Council on Clean Transportation last year.

A global comparison of the life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions of combustion engine and electric passenger cars (theicct.org)

Also I think it was Reuters that did an analysis and found the break even point for lifetime CO2 emissions including manufacture of an EV vs ICE depends largely on how clean the electricity grid charging the EV is. They used a model from the Argonne National Laboratory in Chicago and includes thousands of parameters from the type metals in an electric vehicle (EV) battery to the amount of aluminium or plastic in a car.

In Norway the break even point is just 8400 miles as they have so much renewable energy, in the US its 13500 miles, and Poland its 78700 miles as they have a filthy coal powered grid.

One contentious issue about EVs is the materials needed to manufacture lithium manganese cobalt oxide batteries used by some manufactures - cobalt being the most often cited example. Many Chinese EV manufactures use lithium iron phosphate batteries, and I believe this type of battery is also going to be used in some upcoming models of Tesla - They have a slightly lower energy density than lithium manganese cobalt oxide batteries, but they don't contain controversial materials such as cobalt, have longer lifespans, and are much less of a fire risk. The Chinese company BYD has used LFP chemistry in what it calls its 'blade battery' used in its EVs, and I belive BYD are going to make EVs for Toyota in the Chinese market using this technology.

 

[IT Minion]

I believe this type of battery is also going to be used in some upcoming models of Tesla

It's already the standard in all new Standard range Teslas.

 

[Gasguru]

Are Toyota really any better or does a typical Toyota driver not notice so many issues?
Certainly a few years back the company were a shambles, the firmware was a disgrace with pretty much every basic rule being ignored.

Somewhere on the web are the Court transcripts that make interesting reading (especially if you have a C coding background).

https://barrgroup.com/software-expert-witness/case-studies/car-unintended-acceleration

 

[norseman]

Are Toyota really any better or does a typical Toyota driver not notice so many issues?
Certainly a few years back the company were a shambles, the firmware was a disgrace with pretty much every basic rule being ignored

I do recall this being plastered across the media, but not being in the market for a new car I didn't bother reading the finer details.
From my own experiences & those of others I conclude that nothing man-made is built like it used to be & the turning point appears to be at the end of the 'nineties.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I do recall this being plastered across the media, but not being in the market for a new car I didn't bother reading the finer details.
From my own experiences & those of others I conclude that nothing man-made is built like it used to be & the turning point appears to be at the end of the 'nineties.

When computers, software and features too off big style - when it had to be designed and marked fast, without the usual thorough, intensive checks on the firmware for potential bugs. Only one I had was a Celica, in the early 80's - really nice well built motor.

 

[norseman]

When computers, software and features too off big style - when it had to be designed and marked fast, without the usual thorough, intensive checks on the firmware for potential bugs. Only one I had was a Celica, in the early 80's - really nice well built motor.

Not just cars Harry. We live in a park/mobile home on a retirement park, friends of ours have bought new units over the past few years & even those homes are inferior to ours built 24 years ago.

Sorry, I've drifted off-topic