Plumbers. Bless them.

[EFLImpudence]

I agree with John but you have moved the goalposts again.

Now you do have a wiring centre in the cupboard to which the MV is correctly connected.

Also, you are now only changing the actuator.
Two wires on the MV.
How/why have you even noticed the thermostat wiring?

I think you are trying it on but not succeeding.
I don't believe there are millions of homes wired as you say.

 

[doitall]

I agree with John but you have moved the goalposts again.

Now you do have a wiring centre in the cupboard to which the MV is correctly connected.

Also, you are now only changing the actuator.
Two wires on the MV.
How/why have you even noticed the thermostat wiring?

I think you are trying it on but not succeeding.
I don't believe there are millions of homes wired as you say.

No intentional goal posts have moved.

You are reconnecting the G&Y, blue, brown, orange and white where the existing was.

The over-sleeved g&y is connected to the white, job to not notice I would think.

As for numbers who knows, but if you visited 10 houses every day on a breakdown, I guaranty 6 would be wrong according you the sparks.

 

[doitall]

Consider an analogy with cars. If I took my car to a garage with a request for something specific to be done to the braking system (e.g. 'change the pads'), I imagine that the mechanic would be concerned if (s)he saw something else 'unacceptable' about the braking system - and would presumably tell me, and might even decline to do the job I'd asked for without also rectifying the other problem. However, I wouldn't expect them to refuse to do the brakes job because they noticed a problem with the steering or exhaust systems.

Kind Regards, John

My garage always puts advisories on the invoice and if something needs doing urgently he will phone and say so.

As it happens, the car had an interim service on the 7th, and he changed the back brakes then told me.

 

[securespark]

...that the CH was wired incorrectly?

 

[JohnW2]

As for numbers who knows, but if you visited 10 houses every day on a breakdown, I guaranty 6 would be wrong according you the sparks.

If that is even remotely true, does it not suggest that those who install and maintain heating seems need to be much better educated in relation the requirements of the Wiring Regulations - particularly since compliance with those regulations is, to-all-intents-and-purposes, necessary to stay on the right side of UK law?

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

You are reconnecting the G&Y, blue, brown, orange and white where the existing was.
The over-sleeved g&y is connected to the white, job to not notice I would think.

My mistake, I was just thinking of the motor.

 

[JohnW2]

My garage always puts advisories on the invoice and if something needs doing urgently he will phone and say so.

Same here, and that's very reasonable. As I said, if you were working on something else (e.g. MV) and noticed that the room stat cable didn't have a CPC, I would expect you to bring that to the customer's attention - but I wouldn't expect you to refuse to change the MV.

Kind Regards, John

 

[doitall]

As for numbers who knows, but if you visited 10 houses every day on a breakdown, I guaranty 6 would be wrong according you the sparks.

If that is even remotely true, does it not suggest that those who install and maintain heating seems need to be much better educated in relation the requirements of the Wiring Regulations - particularly since compliance with those regulations is, to-all-intents-and-purposes, necessary to stay on the right side of UK law?

Kind Regards, John

Works two ways John.

Lets say at least 50% would have been wired by a sparky and signed off.

I don't jest guys it really is very common.

 

[JohnW2]

Works two ways John. Lets say at least 50% would have been wired by a sparky and signed off.

Since I'm neither a plumber nor an electrician, I have no axe to grind. However, I'm very surprised by the suggestion that at least 50% of room thermostats are installed by electricians, and would also be very surprised if a high proprtion of those electricians who did it would use a sleeved G/Y as a live conductor (for anything, whether a heating control or anything else). Maybe some others can comment on your suggestion.

Kind Regards, John

 

[securespark]

you have been saying a cpc most be present no exceptions, now you saying there is exceptions, maybe heating controls.

Don't take this as an attack: I've looked through the thread and can't see where heating control wiring has been mentioned as being exempted from the need for a cpc.

Supposedly he was told it's exempt from that among other things such as good workmanship (read: common sense) by someone at NICEIC.

NIC? Ha, ha!

I had an argument with an NIC installer who had come to pick holes in a job we did because by his reckoning the circuit did not comply. When I protested that it was listed as a perfectly acceptable method of installation in the OSG, he triumphantly cried,

"Ha! Well, WE don't recognise the OSG AT ALL!. The only document we go by is the regs!"...................

 

[JohnW2]

I had an argument with an NIC installer who had come to pick holes in a job we did because by his reckoning the circuit did not comply. When I protested that it was listed as a perfectly acceptable method of installation in the OSG, he triumphantly cried, "Ha! Well, WE don't recognise the OSG AT ALL!. The only document we go by is the regs!"...................

In some senses, and (usually) the law, he's obviously right - if something is not acceptable to BS7671, then it's usually not going to be compliant with part P of the Building Regs ('the law'), regardless of what the OSG may say. However, as BAS often says, if one ever found oneself 'in court' over such an issue, the fact that it was acceptable to the OSG (athough not BS7671) would be a hell of a good defence!

Kind Regards, John

 

[doitall]

That sounds like gassafe Sp, clear as mud, ask a 100 operatives and get 10 different answers.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Maybe some others can comment on your suggestion.

My comment is that doesitallincompetently, and thousands of equally ignorant and f***witted plumbers, have for years been oversleeving G/Y, and probably the cpcs in twin and earth, and leaving cables with no cpcs etc.

He refuses to accept that there is anything wrong with it, he sees the massive abuse as somehow making it acceptable, he is not hearing anything that does not sound like "it's fine" to him, and he is not going to give up his utterly shameful promotion of dodgy wiring practices until everybody tells him, with 100% clarity and great force, what a f***wit cowboy he is and how he should not be laying a finger on any wiring ever again.

Then he'll hopefully get the message and go back to the pond he came from.

 

[doitall]

Is doggin BAS still being his usual pathectic toilet, I can't see his posts

 

[RF Lighting]

doitall, if you went to a job and the gas supply to the boiler was run in plastic pipe with speedfit connectors, but there were no leaks and there was sufficient gas pressure at the boiler what would you do?

Would you just ignore it, would you advise the customer about it, or would you cap off the gas supply?