Plumbers/heating engineers- is this standard? (Value of scrap) (Ed.)

[johnny2007]

Yes it is "usually" the case, you are correct. However there are some offences whereby any citizen (a person at lesst 18 years old) has the right, even perhaps a duty, to make an arrest for what used to be known as an arrestable offence. It is wise not to use this usually because it could lead to complications though. Plus you are not expected to put yourself in danger. You are not required to read out "the miranda' and you might have the right to also detain them under certain conditions, however you might have to prove your actions to be entirely reasonabke in all circumstances so best left to the experts. You are also expected to hand them police custody at the earliest opportunity.

You are not allowed to grab them, take them to one side then perform a bit of "industrial training" on them.

You're opening a can of worms here.
The "any person's arrest", formerly referred to as "citizen's arrest" is mentioned in the police and criminal evidence act.
If you read this act, you'll find several obstacles in your way to detain someone.
The offence needs to be indictable or reasonably considered such by you.
You can only use reasonable force to detain the suspect.
You must contact the police immediately (obviously) and still use reasonable force to detain the suspect.
If police confirms the arrest, you'll be required to give statements and possibly appear in court .
Should the police release the suspect there and then, you could be either sued by the suspect for making an illegal arrest, or even arrested and charged by the police.
Note how many times the word "reasonable" is used in this legislation; grey area.
And most people don't know what an indictable offence is.
As you can see, the metal collector taking a rusty cooker from your front garden is not automatically stealing.
Again, ask any police officer or solicitor if you know one.

 

[Stivino]

the metal collector taking a rusty cooker from your front garden is not automatically stealing

Yes, he is.

 

[Odds]

Note how many times the word "reasonable" is used in this legislation; grey area.
And most people don't know what an indictable offence is.
As you can see, the metal collector taking a rusty cooker from your front garden is not automatically stealing.
Again, ask any police officer or solicitor if you know one.

See what motorbiking has to say...then do the exact opposite, and all will be well.

 

[johnny2007]

Yes, he is.

The legal definition of theft is in the theft act 1968 that I linked many posts ago.
You haven't bothered to read it, did you?

 

[Stivino]

The legal definition of theft is in the theft act 1968 that I linked many posts ago.
You haven't bothered to read it, did you?

I'm quite happy with the dictionary definition.

 

[ebee]

You're opening a can of worms here.
The "any person's arrest", formerly referred to as "citizen's arrest" is mentioned in the police and criminal evidence act.
If you read this act, you'll find several obstacles in your way to detain someone.
The offence needs to be indictable or reasonably considered such by you.
You can only use reasonable force to detain the suspect.
You must contact the police immediately (obviously) and still use reasonable force to detain the suspect.
If police confirms the arrest, you'll be required to give statements and possibly appear in court .
Should the police release the suspect there and then, you could be either sued by the suspect for making an illegal arrest, or even arrested and charged by the police.
Note how many times the word "reasonable" is used in this legislation; grey area.
And most people don't know what an indictable offence is.
As you can see, the metal collector taking a rusty cooker from your front garden is not automatically stealing.
Again, ask any police officer or solicitor if you know one.

I did say wise not to use it because of complications though, i think that said enough to deter most folk quite rightly as only to be used if really needed and with great care. I think the c9mment about not using industrial training also complimented it

 

[johnny2007]

I'm quite happy with the dictionary definition.

Bless you!