Putin, arse, elbow

"Given its commitment to building Hinkley Point C, the government had no choice but to make EDF an offer that was too good to resist. It offered to guarantee EDF a fixed price for each unit of energy produced at Hinkley for its first 35 years of operation. In 2012, the guaranteed price – known as the “strike price” – was set at £92.50 per megawatt hour (MWh), which would then rise with inflation."

It's now £106.12

"Offshore windfarm operators will sell power for as little as £37.35 per megawatt hour"


Let that sink in.
 
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their energy is vastly cheaper. If developed over a large area, there is pretty sure to be wind, or sun, or tides, or waves, somewhere.

as for getting energy from Africa, I guess you aren't aware of the gas that Europe imports.

Dependency on Russia didn't work out well, did it?

Is Saudi stable and reliable?
If you look back you'll see where all the UK winds dropped right down. We had to import. It's often not sunny anywhere in the UK.
Yes we need more of both, but to get enough all the time, multiplies the investment.
Maybe big blocks of hot sand, or similar, will be useful.

Oil/gas you can at least store for months.
 
"Given its commitment to building Hinkley Point C, the government had no choice but to make EDF an offer that was too good to resist. It offered to guarantee EDF a fixed price for each unit of energy produced at Hinkley for its first 35 years of operation. In 2012, the guaranteed price – known as the “strike price” – was set at £92.50 per megawatt hour (MWh), which would then rise with inflation."

"Offshore windfarm operators will sell power for as little as £37.35 per megawatt hour"


Let that sink in.
Yes we all know that.
Pointless post
... if the wind doesn't blow?


Are you happy to have power cuts?
 
yep lets rely on solar /wind etc etc .
After all look how successful it was the other year in Texas with the state shutting down with hundreds of people dying as a result

Texas incompetence is not due to the source of their energy

like the grasshopper, they fiddled in summer and were unprepared for a hard winter.


Did you believe the false propaganda initially spread by Trumpian Republicans?

"State officials including Republican governor Greg Abbott[13] initially blamed[14] the outages on frozen wind turbines and solar panels. However, data showed that failure to winterize power sources, like wind turbines and natural gas infrastructure, had caused the grid failure"
 
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Anyway back on topic. Russia is kicking off again. Usual few small gains a little more quickly maybe apart from the break taken.

It sounds like we wont be hearing about actions in the south by Ukraine for some time. They have picked an area where they can cut Russian supply routes with HIMARS - bridges. It may allow them to cut off Crimea's water supply at some point but that depends as Russia wont want that to happen or loose the supply routes.

The tightening up of info seems to be down to the collaborator / sabotage aspects and various political rumblings and changes related to that. Down to this

It seems she talked a USA Military contractor there who was unhappy about the bloke mentioned. The USA always send contractors in. Rumoured to be associated with training rather than fighting. ;) Indirect mercenaries maybe.
 
Texas incompetence is not due to the source of their energy

like the grasshopper, they fiddled in summer and were unprepared for a hard winter.


Did you believe the false propaganda initially spread by Trumpian Republicans?

"State officials including Republican governor Greg Abbott[13] initially blamed[14] the outages on frozen wind turbines and solar panels. However, data showed that failure to winterize power sources, like wind turbines and natural gas infrastructure, had caused the grid failure"
so it was a failure wind turbines froze so regardless of how many you had they wouldnt be producing any power. never mind enough power
 
their energy is vastly cheaper.
"Offshore windfarm operators will sell power for as little as £37.35 per megawatt hour, 5.8% below the lowest bid in the most recent auction in 2019."
If developed over a large area, there is pretty sure to be wind, or sun, or tides, or waves, somewhere.

Of course they can, when the wind is behaving and they are in surplus, but what do we use for power when the wind doesn't blow? Not blowing happens often enough, plus often enough around the entire UK, that we need to have a Plan B. Worst case is no wind anywhere, in winter, with no solar. The Plan B is gas for small fill in. For loner we need something more substantial, such as coal or nuclear. Neither of which are cheap to run stop/start, as is needed to make up the shortfall of wind and solar.
 
Of course they can, when the wind is behaving and they are in surplus, but what do we use for power when the wind doesn't blow? Not blowing happens often enough, plus often enough around the entire UK, that we need to have a Plan B. Worst case is no wind anywhere, in winter, with no solar. The Plan B is gas for small fill in. For loner we need something more substantial, such as coal or nuclear. Neither of which are cheap to run stop/start, as is needed to make up the shortfall of wind and solar.
Why not start another thread?
 
For loner we need something more substantial, such as coal or nuclear. Neither of which are cheap to run stop/start, as is needed to make up the shortfall of wind and solar.
You missed what to my mind is the most obvious candidate - tidal power. As long as the moon continues going round us there will always be tides. Yet so little investment has gone into it
 
UK's power needs are so simple to understand I'd love to see a long separate thread showing how simple they are.
 
their energy is vastly cheaper.
"Offshore windfarm operators will sell power for as little as £37.35 per megawatt hour, 5.8% below the lowest bid in the most recent auction in 2019."
If developed over a large area, there is pretty sure to be wind, or sun, or tides, or waves, somewhere.
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This is a common misconception. A prime example is the deep freeze in the winter of 2010. We had minimal sun, and very little wind for weeks.
We could not rely on wind and solar, or wave during these times. This tells us that we would need huge storage, to point of completely uneconomic, to provide a constant supply during such times.
Like I said, nuclear provides a baseload supply, which is a different supply to what wind and solar provide. It is therefore not comparable.

as for getting energy from Africa, I guess you aren't aware of the gas that Europe imports.

Dependency on Russia didn't work out well, did it?

Is Saudi stable and reliable?
We have been importing gas from Qatar on occasion, and it can get diverted enroute.

But we don't generally import from Saudi or N.Africa.

But even if we did, it would be occasional shipments, which would be put in storage. Connecting a developed country to N.Africa for electricity is a risky approach. As you said, Russia wasn't a terribly good idea for gas/oil was it.

It might be better than Desertec, which just wanted to build huge solar farms in the Sahara for European countries. Ie. if you built plenty for local populations first, but again, that would just add to the cost. And again, you would need uneconomically big storage if you even thought about using it for baseload supply.

I say all of this, as someone who's home town benefits from off-shore wind. We have a factory next to teh dock, sending them out regularly, and I just drove part the Doggerbank convertor. I'm fine with having plenty of renewables, but they have their limits.
Also, nuclear power is safer than all of the above.

Anyway.... Putin, what a ****.

We need low carbon energy in the long term, and no one here has come up with any reason not to use nuclear. The UK needs it, and needs far more than what we are currently building.
 
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No more in this thread on supplies of Power, please. See new thread.
Can we all move back to Russia's invasion please?

Pointing out that Windfarms work fine in the Arctic circle so they can handle Texas's version of cold weather is correct,but off topic.
 
The president of Ukraine said Johnson should not dissapear after he steps down as PM

he has been a good friend to the Ukraine with military and humantarian support ( he said)

Blimey he should take note of some the learned / clued up posters in here
Blimey he does not know that johnson is in the pocket of Putin
And the Russians :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Blimey he should take note of some the learned / clued up posters in here
Blimey he does not know that johnson is in the pocket of Putin
And the Russians :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Maybe he isn't aware that all Johnson has been doing is diversions, and that we have finally reached the point where most people here, including many in his own party, don't want Johnson anywhere near the "levers of power" ever again. Have a crisis caused by your own stupidity/greed/incompetence at home? Why not bugger off to Ukraine and try to get some positive publicity to divert attention from your wrongdoings here. rHe's done this sort of thing all his life.

When the history books are written what's the betting that Ben Wallace will be found to have been the real "mover and shaker" in all of this
 
88 pages in & it's quite clear that very few DiyNutters actually understand exactly what is happening in the Ukraine.

I fear for our collective futures, I really do.
 
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