Reality in Hospitals right now

[SirGalahad]

On the plus side - I just heard that the NHS has struck a deal with private hospitals - so a lot more beds and staff now available...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51989183

"
An extra 8,000 hospital beds across England, nearly 1,200 ventilators and almost 20,000 fully qualified staff will be available from next week.

The agreement will see the private sector reallocate almost its entire national hospital capacity to the NHS.

The extra resources will also help the NHS deliver other urgent treatments.

In London, this includes more than 2,000 hospital beds and more than 250 operating theatres and critical beds.

The additional staff includes 10,000 nurses, more than 700 doctors and more than 8,000 other clinical staff, who will be joining the health service to help manage an expected surge in cases, said NHS England."

Yes. But the Private Sector was on its knees - this has actually saved many private hospitals.

The bulk of their income was from NHS elective work which has dried up. Instead of investing in NHS capacity the Government encouraged the outsourcing of elective work. This lead to an expansion of "private providers".

I will give you one example. I know of one owner of multiple clinics who was close to sacking his staff as the work dried up. He is happy now he can use the Government scheme to get a loan and pay staff. He was asked so now the Government has saved your business will you offer your services at cost or free to the NHS. He said No.

So the devil is always in the details. This is as much as a backhanded bailout as it is expanding the NHS services that have been whittled down.

 

[SirGalahad]

Yeah that Boris Johnson just keeps on keeping on, getting stuff done. What a guy.

Commie.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Yes. But the Private Sector was on its knees - this has actually saved many private hospitals.

The bulk of their income was from NHS elective work which has dried up. Instead of investing in NHS capacity the Government encouraged the outsourcing of elective work. This lead to an expansion of "private providers".

I will give you one example. I know of one owner of multiple clinics who was close to sacking his staff as the work dried up. He is happy now he can use the Government scheme to get a loan and pay staff. He was asked so now the Government has saved your business will you offer your services at cost or free to the NHS. He said No.

So the devil is always in the details. This is as much as a backhanded bailout as it is expanding the NHS services that have been whittled down.

Well, I don't much care of any reason right now. It's help when it's needed. Please be happy with the good news SirGal.

 

[fillyboy]

Yes. But the Private Sector was on its knees - this has actually saved many private hospitals.

The bulk of their income was from NHS elective work which has dried up. Instead of investing in NHS capacity the Government encouraged the outsourcing of elective work. This lead to an expansion of "private providers".

I will give you one example. I know of one owner of multiple clinics who was close to sacking his staff as the work dried up. He is happy now he can use the Government scheme to get a loan and pay staff. He was asked so now the Government has saved your business will you offer your services at cost or free to the NHS. He said No.

So the devil is always in the details. This is as much as a backhanded bailout as it is expanding the NHS services that have been whittled down.

I knew you'd be angry.

 

[SirGalahad]

I knew you'd be angry.

You don't live in reality. Fair weather capitalist turned communist.

 

[SirGalahad]

Well, I don't much care of any reason right now. It's help when it's needed. Please be happy with the good news SirGal.

Not a questiong about being happy or sad. The reality is we shouldn't have been in this situation right now if we had invested in our services properly.

 

[JohnD]

The reality is we shouldn't have been in this situation right now if we had invested in our services properly.

Surely government policy would have been to invest in the NHS as the country grew more prosperous, and the population increased, and paid more tax and NI?

Ooops. no, my mistake.

"Mr Edwards said: “The system works on a knife edge in terms of the balance between capacity and demand. You see it every winter and it doesn’t take much of a surge to put the system into quite severe difficulties from which it has increasingly found it hard to recover.”


https://www.ft.com/content/5da1906e-6a1f-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

 

[sodthisforfun]

Not a questiong about being happy or sad. The reality is we shouldn't have been in this situation right now if we had invested in our services properly.

Everyone knows that - said it before myself. However, your response to my good news was all doom and gloom.

It is what it is.. Now for me it's not what has happened in the past, but what we can do about it NOW.

Perhaps, when it's all over, the gov will rethink the NHS...and we can have a go at them for letting it get into that mess.

 

[SirGalahad]

A secondary problem with all this cutting and centralisation is that now these larger Hospitals have become super spreaders of infections.

Corona exposes the poor policies every day.

 

[noseall]

Yeah that Boris Johnson just keeps on keeping on, getting stuff done

They ought to make him PM.

 

[fillyboy]

They ought to make him PM.

You are a wag.

 

[fillyboy]

A secondary problem with all this cutting and centralisation is that now these larger Hospitals have become super spreaders of infections.

Yes, we should stop sick people visiting them.

 

[Notch7]

Yeah that Boris Johnson just keeps on keeping on, getting stuff done. What a guy

No, this is the reality:

"On 18th February, president Xi personally phoned Johnson and told him the Chinese suppression measures were working!! https://chinadailyhk.com/article/121599 Those measures will hopefully keep their deaths to <4K. Johnson IGNORED Xi and did nothing"

And:
“Cummings and Vallance were “close allies”... the government had “bet” the future of the UK on advice from a very small group of scientists that for a long time differed from the wider international consensus”

When this is all over, there must be a enquiry and Johnson will have to move from Downing street to the Tower

 

[Ryler]

Johnson IGNORED Xi and did nothing"

What did the experts say?

 

[Notch7]

What did the experts say?

He called for strengthening the protection of medical staff, ensuring the market supply of materials in need, intensifying disclosure of related information to guide the public opinion as well as the mobilization of social forces to uphold the overall stability of society.

The meeting urged concrete efforts to ensure access of adequate supplies of materials to Wuhan, capital of Hubei province, where the first case of the novel coronavirus-related pneumonia was reported, and the province, to enable people to live a normal life, according to the statement.

All provinces need to strengthen monitoring, prevention and control of the outbreak among flowing populations, and identify, report, isolate and treat patients in a timely manner, the statement said