replacing my thermal store and boiler…Help in specifying

[Ray Tay]

bernardgreen, not Pektron. ELOK of the Czech Republic. They make commercial and industrial control.
http://www.elok.cz/en/products/electronics

shambolic, A Systemate 2000, not the Boilermate. My mates is still great, running after about 20 years, so are those around him. The big grey box (his is now cream) in the cupboard gives off little heat as it is highly insulated. I must admit he did put a little pipe insulation on the pipes in the cupboard. Some go wrong and they may have come to your attention. But you never came across those that never went wrong, which was most of them.

Dan Robinson, the Accolade is an unvented cylinder. I did a Google
http://www.gledhill-spares.net/documents/accolade_(including_accolade_plus).pdf

That Camden problem sounds to me like the gas mains could not cope, so they put in very small boilers and the mains still could not cope. It sounds like the gas supplier was not informed, why else would they go all electric?

 

[Dan Robinson]

No, I was thinking of the Pulsacoil 2000

If has been a long day.

We do have some accolades installed in a couple of flats in Victoria though. All leaky pieces of cack, had to change the regulating valve a few months ago.

 

[bernardgreen]

bernardgreen, not Pektron. ELOK of the Czech Republic. They make commercial and industrial control.
http://www.elok.cz/en/products/electronics

 

[Dan Robinson]

That Camden problem sounds to me like the gas mains could not cope, so they put in very small boilers and the mains still could not cope. It sounds like the gas supplier was not informed, why else would they go all electric?

There was no way to install gas to the building to cope with 20 odd luxury flats. So they put in these Electric pieces of junk. All went legal after a few years of occupation.

 

[Dan Robinson]

As has been said many times. Your little samples of one or two properties whether real or imagined will not give you a decent view of the world and the more you try and defend an indefensible viewpoint the sillier you look. Same goes to Bernard.

 

[PullerGas]

Can anyone please confirm if Google is still the best search engine??
Oh sorry, I know nothing about the Internet, since I'm stuck in the 50s!!

Every day I learn, every day I stand back in wonderment at technoligy. I love my trade & I'm very lucky to have worked with some brilliant tradesmen. If that means I'm stuck in the 50s, then I'm happy to be stuck in the 50s.

 

[Ray Tay]

bernardgreen, interesting. I gave the link for the Czech company. I just looked at Gledhill's parts and the they use the same numbers as ELOK, GT155. Where was the website you got the picture from? I just looked at e two boards and they are different. The Czech board had screwed terminals and push-in plugs, which the Gledhill instructions show. Thee is also other physical differences.
http://www.elok.cz/en/products/electronics
GT155, click on the picture it enlarges.

The Czech board.........

The Pektron board you posted.......

I notice the newer Gledhill Torrent still uses a pcb to modulate a hot water pump through a plate heat exchanger. I don't know what make and type. They also have a device that controls the flow of the hot water. I don't know what that is. Maybe some can fill in on that.

Dan Robinson, it sounds like someone screwed up on product specification in Camden, not the product. You didn't know how the Systemate worked, saying a simple stat can do the same as a microprocessor based pcb with comprehensive control logic. I did larf. I had to.

One of my prime points was that the concept of using a centralised microprocessor board controlling all the heating and hot water seriously reducing mechanical parts, running on a safer vented cylinder giving high pressure hot water, was sound 25 years ago and still is today. We have gone backwards.

 

[bernardgreen]

Can anyone please confirm if Google is still the best search engine??

For the general public it probably is. There are other search engines but they tend to be subscription, ( no adverts or user profile generation ).

 

[Ray Tay]

PullerGas, 'I'm stuck in the 50s!!'

At least you are honest about it. The 50s? You must be well retired. Do you polish your galvanised tank in the loft?

Search engines? There is Bing. Yahoo is still going.

 

[AGAS]

look ray f---ing tay systemates are out of date and sh-t , you come on this forum for advice for which professionals tells you your most favourite boiler is a heap , when you only rely on information from one persons experience ( and googling ) . if your that lonely why don't you ring the samaritans they will listen to your drivel

 

[bernardgreen]

Where was the website you got the picture from? I just looked at e two boards and they are different.

From an Ebay site selling Gledhill "reconsitioned " spares.

The Czech board may be a clone of the Gledhill desgn or a design licensed by Gledhill as a second source for PCBs ( in case Pektron were unable to supply ) or as a result of CoCom restrictions on exports to the Eastern Bloc. CoCom = Coordinating Committee for Multilateral Export Controls, restricted the technologies / equipment that could be exported to the Eastern Bloc

 

[Ray Tay]

AGAS, Systemates are NOT out of date at all. They are not here because of the Credit Crunch. You clearly do not know the advantages of centralised control which the Elok pcb gives. BTW, I never came on this thread for advice, I interjected when I saw nonsense being written about a product and concept. It was apparent few knew how it worked. I put you all right on that.

 

[AGAS]

get that head out of your a-s and give yourself a good talking to . why do you think people are ripping them out ? what is your experience with these systems apart from one mate and his neighbours and googling ?

 

[Dan Robinson]

it sounds like someone screwed up on product specification in Camden, not the product. You didn't know how the Systemate worked, saying a simple stat can do the same as a microprocessor based pcb with comprehensive control logic

No you 'tard. They were never going to get gas to these buildings. From day one. It was known.

I did know how the system mate worked. And if you think hysteresis allowance and relays have not been used to prevent knee jerk reactions to small draw offs then you truly are a fool. FFS I had one in my own home for years. Simple relay and two cylinder thermostat . Simples. Far more reliable than some half a7sed eastern european mish mash.

 

[Ray Tay]

bernardgreen, The Czech Republic was a democracy in November 1989. The eastern block was no more. That was before the board was produced.

Gledhill do not design pcb's like that, it is beyond their expertise. These are always farmed out or bought in. the Elok pcb is readily available pcb for anyone to buy and a number of Continental companies use it I found out. Gledhill would have designed the Systemate around the pcb's control functionality. How Pektron are involved I don't know, but if they are making it under licence then it is probably fine, as they are into some heavy quality control gear.